Isreal Destroys Trump

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How is bending over & grabbing your ankles for Israel 'winning'?

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Why would you engage him?  He's going to twist everything into worship for his cult leader.

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danmanjones engages people because he isn't a fucking rube like you Mr. Fudd.  danmanjones engages because that's what people who like to think for themselves do, they engage with people of differing opinions dipshit.  I use to think you were like danmanjones but your Trump-derangement syndrome seems to have worsened.

 

I hope you're able to mentally cope when that blue waves fails to materialize this November.  Unemployment at 3%, black unemployment at the lowest point in history, taxes are low, the Korean War coming to an end, American hostages being released, Obama's bullshit legacy being erased entirely.  So much winning yet so much crying and moaning and grinding of teeth from the leftist like yourself.

 

Trump pulled the trigger on something that was authorized and passed by the UNITED STATES CONGRESS in 1995.  This move was long over due.  There is NO VALID REASON to not have an embassay in the ACTUAL capital of Israel.

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agree about obama's legacy.

yeah there is a reason not to have an embassy there or call it the capital of israel: international law going back to the creation of the state of israel, and also numerous other international agreements since then, all also signed and agreed by the US.

if the US makes a precedent by ignoring agreements it's a party to, then any other country is also free to do that, which is exactly what the US doesn't want and has worked hard to avoid ever since the end of w w 2.

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Nope.  That's just simply not true.  International Law (like any law) is null and void upon arrival if it infringes on the rightful powers of a sorveign nation to govern itself.  Every soverign nation has the power to place their Capital whereever they please within their borders, the rest of the dictators and Jew haters around the world be damned.  The UN is not a one world governing body, they simply do not have the authority you claim they have.

 

numerous other international agreements since then, all also signed and agreed by the US.

 

Did Israel sign and agree to them?  I only ask because you mention the US as if the US has some authority to dictate where they place their Capital.  We do not.

 

if the US makes a precedent by ignoring agreements it's a party to,

 

Weird how you can't seem to cite any of these agreements, not that it would matter really.  Let me tell you why.

 

In the United States we have a Congress.  In 1995 the House and Senate passed a bill called the “Jerusalem Embassy Act,” which formally recognized the city as the country’s capital and called for the U.S. Embassy in Israel to be moved there from Tel Aviv by 1999. Support for the bill was overwhelming. It passed the Senate by a 93 to 5 vote, with four Republicans and one Democrat voting no. It passed the House 374 to 37, with 153 Democrats joining.

 

Unable to VETO the bill, it became law after Clinton refused to sign it for 10 days.  That agreement, one made by the elected representatives of the American citizens is the only agreement I give a fuck about.

 

Whatever agreement you think the US signed, unless it was approved by the Senate, can be unsigned by the next President.  This fact is coming around to bite Obama in the ass now as a matter of fact.

 

The law passed by Congress in 1995 overrides any other supposed agreements you think exist.

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Fullauto is about the only regular on this site representing the Trump base & I like arguing through things with people, especially when we disagree. How "America First" translates into unconditional support for Netanyahu is especially interesting.

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You're going to need to explain how moving the embassy to the actual Capital of Israel equates to "unconditional support" of someone.

 

Besides that,

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The embassy move and the Iran Deal walk-out both hurt America's status on the world stage. 

In both cases, pretty much the entire world urged the US to reconsider & in a lot of cases condemned the action.

 

Both (embassy move and the Iran Deal walk-out) are violations of international law & hurt America's image - traditionally it's stood for lawfulness. This is an asset to your country. You can't do everything by intimidating people, especially since China will overtake your sheer power soon.

 
In the case of the Iran deal, Boeing alone lost 20 billion signed contract. It would have provided 100k jobs. They were likely going to order another 20 billion too. And France are losing heaps because they've already started some major trade deals with Iran. China will likely pick up the South Pars drilling contract from Total. And France is gonna want something back for what they've lost. It's made Macron look weak. Maybe Airbus will just stop manufacturing parts in USA so they don't risk this irrational crap in the future?

 

All this to appease a violent little country that's sucking you dry - Israel takes about 10 billion & at least 1 veto from USA every year. For what? They have your congress on lockdown & now your executive is at their beck & call. It's not healthy for your nation to do everything they ask.

 

I've just watched Mattis give a 45min interview about Americas new "defense" policy & half of it is base on lies rooted in Israeli-led policies like taking down Assad, weakening-Iran with bogus claims of nuclear weapons intel, etc. I just hope for your sake he's being politically expedient.

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The embassy move and the Iran Deal walk-out both hurt America's status on the world stage. 

In both cases, pretty much the entire world urged the US to reconsider & in a lot of cases condemned the action.

 

That is what is referred to as an argumentum ad populum fallacy.  What is popular is not always right, what is right is not always popular.  Pretty much the "entire world" is composed of ass backwards dictatorships and/or leftist run Jew hating politicians.

 

The Iran deal was a fraud from the outset.  Obama was idiot for even agreeing to it in the first fucking place and because choose to press on without the advice and consent of Congress, as is proscribed by our Constitution for the ratification of treaties, there was no force of law behind the deal.

 

The move of the embassy is only an problem for the "majority of the world" because they hate Israel for existing, end of fucking story.

 

Both (embassy move and the Iran Deal walk-out) are violations of international law

 

Here you are again with this "International law" nonsense.  Look, obviously I'm not going to get through the pointlessness of making such an argument so how about this, supposing Trump has violated some sort of "law", what is the world going to do about it?  Is "the world" going to march in and move the embassy back?  Is "the world" going to hold a gun to our President and make him re-sign the Iran deal?  Obviously not.  So now that we've established "international law" to be a pointless argument can we move on to something based in logic?

 

There is no logical reason to NOT have our embassy in the Capital of Israel.  There is no logical reason to pretend Iran isn't planning on developing nukes the moment the deal runs out.

 

You can't do everything by intimidating people, especially since China will overtake your sheer power soon.

 

Who did Trump intimidate to move the embassy?  Who did Trump intimidate to cancel the Iran deal?

 

China overtaking the US is a fucking myth.  There is no comparison.  And even if we pretend that is true, is China going to force us to remove our embassy?  Is China going to force us to remain in a fraudulent deal with Iran?  In don't think so.

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In the case of the Iran deal, Boeing alone lost 20 billion signed contract. It would have provided 100k jobs. They were likely going to order another 20 billion too. And France are losing heaps because they've already started some major trade deals with Iran. China will likely pick up the South Pars drilling contract from Total. And France is gonna want something back for what they've lost. It's made Macron look weak. Maybe Airbus will just stop manufacturing parts in USA so they don't risk this irrational crap in the future?

 

Maybe, maybe, maybe, but none of that matters if it means a nuclear armed Iran.

 

All this to appease a violent little country that's sucking you dry - Israel takes about 10 billion & at least 1 veto from USA every year.

 

Wrong.  And Israel isn't sucking anyone dry.  10 Billion is a drop in the bucket.  And the US vetos bullshit in the UN because the UN is composed of a majority off Jew hating authoritarian nations.

 

They have your congress on lockdown & now your executive is at their beck & call. It's not healthy for your nation to do everything they ask.

 

Our Congress and my President sides with Israel because Israel is our ally AND the only modern democratic nation in what is otherwise the Islamic ass crack of the world.

 

 

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Your president sides with Israel because that's the clique he's associated himself with. It has little to do with ideology IMO, it's business. Sheldon Adelson (hardcore Zionist) was his single largest backer & the Bannon/Mercer crowd (hardcore Zionists) did a lot of his campaign strategy. He's also related by marriage to thte Kushners who, like Trump, are involved in the NY/NJ real estate business - a cesspit off corruption featuring a lot of zionists.

 

Your congress sides with Israel because they value their careers over law or morality. The Israeli lobby is one of, if not the most powerful lobby group in D.C. and it's career suicide to make a strong stand against it.

 

I support a lot of Trump's platform (America first etc) & like that he's so transparent but always knew his Zionist ties would be a problem. I had no idea it was going to be this bad. Haley, Bolton & Pompeo are not only complete sell-outs to the Likud party in Israel, they're incompetent and have extremist mentality. I just hope the damage is contained within your borders because - and I like both Iran & USA - if the Iran war goes ahead, America is fucked and so is the global economy. I don't even care about the global economy that much, it's pretty fucked as it is, but this is a war you'd be fighting for a bunch of Jewish Taliban & it's a war you can't win. It would also destroy a lot of innocent people in Lebanon & Israel.

 

I'm not sure if you realise this but Hezbollah kicked Israel's ass in 2006 and they now have the capacity to cover Israel in missiles. Many will die, including your mates in Israel.

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How is NO LONGER pretending that Jerusalem is not the Capital City of the nation of Israel "bending over and grabbing your ankles"?

If anything, every President from 1995 until Trump were bending over for the Jew hating losers who won't come to grips that Israel isn't going anywhere.

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It's bending over for Israel because it's a waste of the US' political capital. The status of Jerusalem is to be determined under a peaceful settlement between the Israelis & Palestinians - this was one of the conditions when the UN created Israel in 1948.

 

The only countries that support this move are:

US, Israel, Guatemala, Honduras, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau & Togo [link]

 

You may not agree with international law, or what the rest of the world thinks, that's fine. I just don't see how you can call it winning when it only weakens your country.

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It's bending over for Israel because it's a waste of the US' political capital.

 

That sentence literally makes no sense.  Bending over for someone is understood to mean going out of your way to accomodate someone else.  Clinton, Bush, and Obama all promissed during their campaigns that they would carry out the will of Congress and move the embassay when they took office.  Every one of them ended up bending over for the angry mobs of Jew haters and not following through.

 

Trump is simply carrying out the will of Congress, which is one of his duties as President.

 

The status of Jerusalem is to be determined under a peaceful settlement between the Israelis & Palestinians - this was one of the conditions when the UN created Israel in 1948.

 

Well, for starters, Israel was not created by the United Nations.  David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.  The joined the UN the following year.

 

So whatever conditions you are referring to, they're meaningless.  The UN is not a world government and has no authority to dictate where nations are allowed to establish their Capital.  What does matter is the 1980 Jerusalem Law proclamation, which declared a "complete and united" Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

 

The only countries that support this move are: US, Israel, Guatemala, Honduras, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau & Togo

 

And?  Is Isreal suppose to ask permission from the world before they establish their Capital?  I'm sorry but what other soverign nation is bound to beg the UN for permission to do shit as basic as establishing a Capital city?

 

Is Israel a soverign nation?  Yes.  Can the UN bitch about where they decide to establish their Capital?  Sure.  Does it really matter?  NOPE!

 

You may not agree with international law, or what the rest of the world thinks, that's fine. I just don't see how you can call it winning when it only weakens your country.

 

I don't care what the rest of the world thinks when the rest of the world (so called) is fucking wrong.  It doesn't weaken the USA, not in the slightest.

 

The Palestians have proven themselves unworthy of self-governance in Gaza.  If they were just in their little city farming whatever it is they farm over there and suddenly Israel just started shelling them, I would be inclined to be on your side.  But that is not what we find.  What we find is a collection of people, so utterly brain damaged by Islam, that they have dedicated their entire life to the futile and pointless goal of wiping out Israel.

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The act passed by Congress expired in 1999.

They're not all Muslims, some are Christians.

 

The UN recognised a resolution that partitioned part of Palestine for Jews to live in in 1947. In 1948 Ben Gurion stopped terrorising people for an afternoon & declared Israel a state and in 1949 Israel was admitted into the UN.

 

We can go on all day about UN stuff & you'll no doubt dismiss it. It's quite simple... Israel signed the UN Charter and was granted membership. The membership comes with rules. If Israel wants to break the rules then it should just leave the UN. You can't have it both ways.

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The act passed by Congress expired in 1999.

 

It did not expire in 1999.  The law states...

Sec. 3. Timetable.

   (a) Statement of the Policy of the United States.—

      (3) the United States Embassy in Israel should be established in Jerusalem no later than May 31, 1999.
 
That is not an expiration, that is a deadline.  A deadline that was ignored by the previous Presidents.  Someone has been lying to you.

 

They're not all Muslims, some are Christians.

 

As of 2015, Palestinian Christians comprise approximately 1–2.5% of the population of the West Bank, and less than 1% in the Gaza Strip.  So spare me the hair splitting, please.

 

The UN recognised a resolution that partitioned part of Palestine for Jews to live in in 1947. In 1948 Ben Gurion stopped terrorising people for an afternoon & declared Israel a state and in 1949 Israel was admitted into the UN.

 

When you were learning about the history of Israel, did your lesson include the part where, following Israel's acceptance of the partition plan, the neighboring Arab nations as well as the Muslims in Israel rejected it wholesale and opted to try can finish Hitler's final solution?  Did they happen to cover that part?  Because it's pretty damn important and key to not falling into the mental trap of thinking Israel is some sort of oppressor.

 

We can go on all day about UN stuff & you'll no doubt dismiss it.

 

You are correct.  The UN is a currupt and useless organization that ought to be disbanded and the building leveled.  But I digress.

 

It's quite simple... Israel signed the UN Charter and was granted membership. The membership comes with rules. If Israel wants to break the rules then it should just leave the UN. You can't have it both ways.

 

Do those rules include not hanging gay people for being gay?  Because if we're talking about US rules and all it would appear to that Iran is a member yet the UN doesn't have a fucking thing to say about their execution of homosexuals.  Funny how when Israel breaks some UN rule there needs to be shit done about it.  But if a Muslim Arab nation breaks one of these precious fucking rules nobody has shit to say.

 

Care to explain that bullshit?

 

But I will concede your point.  Israel and United States would both be better off ditching the United Nations, withdrawing funding and ejecting the so-called diplomats.  But so long as that happening the US will continue to use it's VETO powers to tell the other tin horn dictators bitching about Israel to pound fucking sand.
 

 
They're not all Muslims, some are Christians.
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Do those rules include not hanging gay people for being gay? 

The US voted against the resolution to condemn countries that do this.

 

It's interesting you're willing to advocate for the human rights of gay people but not for people who are living under an apartheid in the West Bank or in an unlivable concentration camp in Gaza. All based on a religious, racial supremacist ideology.

 

It's also interesting that you'll support a country who's attacked & sold out your country on so many occasions. That kind of fanatacism has got to be religious because it's beyond any form of reason.

 

They're not all Muslims, some are Christians.

Yes and you hate the fact that some are Christian. It would be so much more convenient for you to have a religious-supremacist attitude if it wasn't for the few remaining Christians in Palestine huh?

You wouldn't have to justify supporting a racist ideology because you could just blame Islam.

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"It's interesting you're willing to advocate for the human rights of gay people but not for people who are living under an apartheid in the West Bank or in an unlivable concentration camp in Gaza."

 

FullAutoGal gives exactly 0 shits about gay brown people dying.  What he cares about is that he is able to point at them and say, "SEE?!"  Their deaths are a tool for him to spur his irrational fear of foreign Muslims because his Neo-con roots demand it.

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concerned to hear you equating disagreement with the political policies of the israeli government with "jew hating"...

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He always does it. If he distributes hate over muslims it is free speech. if anyone critizises israel it is jew hating. 
Fullauto is the most deluded right wing cunt on here. Even worse than the biastoid. All his opinion is taken straight from reddit, no critical (or own) thinking involved whatsoever.

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It's just a conditioned response, you see it everywhere & is slowly but surely losing its meaning. There are half a dozen others, the talking point of today is to blame the Palestinians because Hamas. It's hard to blame people for repeating the Zionist talking points when they flood every outlet from NYTimes to Fox News. Who actually has time to do research?

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Hey Daftcunt I've been going easy on you since your return but let me just remind you that you cried like a little bitch and said you were leaving and never coming back - I predicted you would come back because I evaluated your tantrum as the whine of an attention-seeker who was butt-hurt about having to actually argue his positions honestly. I'm glad you're back but lose your fixation on me - that has never panned out well for any national here.

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You really still do wonder why the first (and most of the time only) word that comes to mind when you comment is twat. You really do, I know. 

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Welcome back Daftcunt. Now don't go crying and running away again like a troubled child - we all love you here.

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concerned to hear you equating disagreement with the political policies of the israeli government with "jew hating"...

 

There are two types of people are push anti-Israel arguments.

 

Those who originate them and those who parrot them.

 

A - Those who originate anti-Israel arguments do so because they hate Jews.

B - Those who parrot them do so because they're willfully ignorant of the facts and tent to reject objective moral values.

 

So whereas you would likely fall into the B camp, the arguments you parrot are rooted in hatred of Jews.

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...the arguments you parrot are rooted in hatred of Jews.

There are many problems with this argument. Lots of Jews are a opposed to Zionism. Lots of people were opposed to South Africa's apartheid - are they racist towards white South Africans?

 

...they're willfully ignorant of the facts and tent to reject objective moral values.

What is it that you find moral about the apartheid in the West Bank or the concetration camp in Gaza?

 

You're not dumb Fullauto, surely you can see through this "they hate Jews" fallacy. It's very dated now & hardly gets used anymore except for the most blinded supporters of Israel.

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Aftermath of USA moving embassy to Jerusalem

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TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

 

Do you hear that? Snowflakes continue to melt year round

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You realize that is the Onion, right?

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You realize they killed an 8 month old, right?

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Get hypocrisy raped:  

 

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Get strawmanned bro.

 

Where did I say that?  Israel is entitled to the land they now occupy because they fought a fucking war against people attempting to exterminate them and won.

 

Leftism truly is a mental disease.  Who on earth filled you head will so much bullshit Mr. Fudd.  It couldn't of been your father since you already mentioned he was based and voted Trump.  Was it some Marxist professor?  I'm truly curious.

 

BTW, "once lived there" my ass.  The Jews have been there for over 3000 years, but that's besides the point.  I just wanted to correct your ignorant meme.

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"The Jews have been there for over 3000 years...according to the BOBBLE!"  The Bobble and history also detail them getting expelled from that area multiple times; I'll also point out that the Bobble that you rely upon finishes up its history around ~200-350 C.E. so you're missing about 1700 years of history. 

 

"BUT IT'S IN THE BOBBLE!"

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Still building those straw men, ugh.  Where did I say anything about the Bible?  I didn't.  Yet because that's the depth of your thinking on the matter, you just decided to shit it out on the screen for all to see.

 

Seeing as you didn't read it the first fucking time I will repeat it for you.

Israel is entitled to the land they now occupy because they fought a fucking war against people attempting to exterminate them and won.

 

Now go back and remember what your Marxist teachers told you about that and get back to me.

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This is simply not true. Your argument stems from the fact that you don't believe in international law at all but instead have a "might is right" outlook. If you follow that through we're back to the situation that led to countless wars across Europe for centuries....except now we have nukes.

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PragerU propaganda is bad for your thinking brain.

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Well damn, when did facts and truth suddently become bad for my brain.

 

Oh, I think I see what you mean.  If I were a indoctrinated little leftist it wouldn't be very good for my brain to see that video.  Luckly I have been spared that terrible fate.

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It's not even worth debunking PragerU videos. I've seen enough of them to know they're shallow propaganda for the ill-informed.

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