People are totally overly concerned about this. The gun lobby has already come out screaming about gun grabbers and the gun control people are screaming about so-called assault weapons. R-E-L-A-X. This is the USA. Until some whackjob walks into Congress or the Senate and mows down 50-60 congressman, senators, or their kids, so-called assault weapons are here to stay and even then, guns are going to be everywhere. Deal with it. Try not to be where the next mass shooting is and wait for the next one.
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You're defending terrorism as an effective tool to succeed in achieving political objectives, while leaving out the parts which would define it as terrorism.
I've seen this argument being posed before by someone on this website.
If only some whackjob, not a liberal politically motivated gun owner because that would contradict your own agenda, but if a whackjob, a deranged lunatic without any particular political motivations, were to carry a fully automatic assault-rifle and coincidentally find himself surrounded by congressmen and senators(and their kids for some reason), and snap, and proceeds to mowing down the representatives on both sides whom have previously voted against various types of gun-control and weapon bans.
As if that would somehow change their moral compass on the spot, enlighten them if you will, so that the surviving victims of such a traumatic experience can finally perceive the morally superior perspective, which is the progressive argument often posed which says gun control saves lives. Which would somehow automatically lead conservatives and corrupt democrats to opening their arms to sensible gun laws written by rationally thinking human beings on the left.
This "argument" is deluded. It probably sounds well in your head where everything goes right, but reality doesn't work like that, which social justice warriors like yourself should begin to realize as the physical laws of the universe, which are unbreakable I might add, are telling you more loudly than ever that the universe doesn't care about your safe space. Redefining facts to fit your virtue-signaling fantasies won't change the physical properties of reality.
But you might be so far left of the spectrum that rather centrist, logical and scientific perspectives might not even be comprehensible or visible to you. Blinded by hatred for a stereotype encompassing nearly half of all Americans, you wish upon a star for divine intervention, either through a sequence of events so specific your political motivations for justifying mass murder to achieve a desirable outcome can't possibly be criticized.
And all so that you can proclaim Karma, that the universe wanted it to be so it shall, coincidentally in your political view's favor. And thus protecting your far-left group-think as intellectually and morally superior to the individual, your greatest foe.
As no evidence for god, karma or politically motivated deities appears to exist, you're left arguing for terrorism as an effective tool for achieving your political objectives.
You're the whackjob posing the scenario online, probably have before in response to several shootings(as I recognized it), in the hopes that one of your fellow human beings reads it and takes it where you wouldn't. Because you know that person would not be represented as one of your own or as sharing your political views, because you know just like conservatives and even centrists now know that the media which represent your side of the argument won't be objective. That facts won't be accurately represented.
If someone were to shoot 50-60 congressmen, senators(or their kids as you suggested), and nothing happened to the gun laws or only some changes were made, would you exclaim there were not enough victims?
Would you raise the numbers of dead people(or kids as you suggested) needed for succeeding your goal?
Maybe your number already has been raised since some "whackjob" attacked all those congressmen on a baseball field a few years back and you weren't pleased?
You just need a few dozen more(and their children), right?
If all those damned cops hadn't been at that festival you might have gotten your wish.
If you're not seeing what I'm doing, it is comparing your need for more dead people and children, with the shooter's goal which was also to kill as many people as possible, and you both have ideological reasons to want that.
Was he the bad kind to want to kill people and children?
But you're the one asking for even larger numbers of people to die?
So monkeymania here is requesting a shooter targeting specifically conservatives, politicians or otherwise, and bonus points if you take out their children too.
The only requirement is that you have no political motivations at all. You just happen to shoot and kill a large group of specific politically opinionated people, and their innocent children of course, in order for gun laws to change.
But remember just so we're clear:
NO POLITICAL MOTIVATIONS.
YET SHOOT ONLY CONSERVATIVES.
AND THEIR CHILDREN.
SO THAT GUN LAWS CAN CHANGE.
AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT IT'S NOT TERRORISM.
YOU'RE JUST A WHACKJOB WITH SPECIFICALLY CONSERVATIVE TARGETS.
DON'T BRING POLITICS INTO THIS
AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
BUT DO IT ANYWAY.
BECAUSE THEN HIS LOGIC WORKS.
EVERYONE ELSE WHO ARE NOT CONSERVATIVES
TRY NOT TO BE WHERE THE NEXT ONE IS
RELAX
DEAL WITH IT
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monkeymania (Long Spike)
Whoa, you could have saved a lot of time and effort. I don't care what someone's political leanings are. If you gun down innocent people, then by my definition, you are a whackjob. Period. Great breakdown though.
My only point is that unless a large block of people in government were murdered by a mass shooter, nothing is going to change. You can bank on it.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
You think a bunch of government officials being mowed down will finally caused the nation to address the problem of big Pharma and mental illness? I don't see it.
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monkeymania (Long Spike)
Nah. Big Pharma is pumping too much money into the trough of government officials and the mental illness problem is too complicated. The gun issue would only show the beginnings of some type of reform if a large block of government officials or their children were gunned down. As I said, guns aren't going anywhere regardless and continuous mass shootings will result in no changes whatsoever.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Right guns aren't going anywhere regardless so what's the point of suggesting that a mass shooting of government officials would be the thing to eliminate the guns that are going to be around regardless? Doesn't seem to me like guns are actually the problem they've been around for a long time and there have been many of them around for a long time. People going batshit crazy and just gunning a bunch of folks down because reasons is a relatively new phenomenon. What changed?
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Pantysoaker (Long Spike)
garlic is a racist veggie because it is white
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Dagambit (Long Spike)
I laughed a lot harder on this comment than I should have.
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I dont really understand how theres a "garlic" festival. Does this mean theres also a "potato" festival, a "carrot" festival, and a "pineapple" festival. Does every fruit get a festival? Does this mean every festival is now a free target zone? Hmm, interesting times we live in. I bet if there were snipers on every festival this wouldn't ever happen. It's the fact that no one expects guns at a "garlic" festival that this happens. obv
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Attacker was an alt right white supremacist is alleged now. Should have gone to a water melon and fried chicken festival instead....
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(Long Spike)
People are totally overly concerned about this. The gun lobby has already come out screaming about gun grabbers and the gun control people are screaming about so-called assault weapons. R-E-L-A-X. This is the USA. Until some whackjob walks into Congress or the Senate and mows down 50-60 congressman, senators, or their kids, so-called assault weapons are here to stay and even then, guns are going to be everywhere. Deal with it. Try not to be where the next mass shooting is and wait for the next one.
(Old Spike)
You're defending terrorism as an effective tool to succeed in achieving political objectives, while leaving out the parts which would define it as terrorism.
I've seen this argument being posed before by someone on this website.
If only some whackjob, not a liberal politically motivated gun owner because that would contradict your own agenda, but if a whackjob, a deranged lunatic without any particular political motivations, were to carry a fully automatic assault-rifle and coincidentally find himself surrounded by congressmen and senators(and their kids for some reason), and snap, and proceeds to mowing down the representatives on both sides whom have previously voted against various types of gun-control and weapon bans.
As if that would somehow change their moral compass on the spot, enlighten them if you will, so that the surviving victims of such a traumatic experience can finally perceive the morally superior perspective, which is the progressive argument often posed which says gun control saves lives. Which would somehow automatically lead conservatives and corrupt democrats to opening their arms to sensible gun laws written by rationally thinking human beings on the left.
This "argument" is deluded. It probably sounds well in your head where everything goes right, but reality doesn't work like that, which social justice warriors like yourself should begin to realize as the physical laws of the universe, which are unbreakable I might add, are telling you more loudly than ever that the universe doesn't care about your safe space. Redefining facts to fit your virtue-signaling fantasies won't change the physical properties of reality.
But you might be so far left of the spectrum that rather centrist, logical and scientific perspectives might not even be comprehensible or visible to you. Blinded by hatred for a stereotype encompassing nearly half of all Americans, you wish upon a star for divine intervention, either through a sequence of events so specific your political motivations for justifying mass murder to achieve a desirable outcome can't possibly be criticized.
And all so that you can proclaim Karma, that the universe wanted it to be so it shall, coincidentally in your political view's favor. And thus protecting your far-left group-think as intellectually and morally superior to the individual, your greatest foe.
As no evidence for god, karma or politically motivated deities appears to exist, you're left arguing for terrorism as an effective tool for achieving your political objectives.
You're the whackjob posing the scenario online, probably have before in response to several shootings(as I recognized it), in the hopes that one of your fellow human beings reads it and takes it where you wouldn't. Because you know that person would not be represented as one of your own or as sharing your political views, because you know just like conservatives and even centrists now know that the media which represent your side of the argument won't be objective. That facts won't be accurately represented.
If someone were to shoot 50-60 congressmen, senators(or their kids as you suggested), and nothing happened to the gun laws or only some changes were made, would you exclaim there were not enough victims?
Would you raise the numbers of dead people(or kids as you suggested) needed for succeeding your goal?
Maybe your number already has been raised since some "whackjob" attacked all those congressmen on a baseball field a few years back and you weren't pleased?
You just need a few dozen more(and their children), right?
If all those damned cops hadn't been at that festival you might have gotten your wish.
If you're not seeing what I'm doing, it is comparing your need for more dead people and children, with the shooter's goal which was also to kill as many people as possible, and you both have ideological reasons to want that.
Was he the bad kind to want to kill people and children?
But you're the one asking for even larger numbers of people to die?
So monkeymania here is requesting a shooter targeting specifically conservatives, politicians or otherwise, and bonus points if you take out their children too.
The only requirement is that you have no political motivations at all. You just happen to shoot and kill a large group of specific politically opinionated people, and their innocent children of course, in order for gun laws to change.
But remember just so we're clear:
NO POLITICAL MOTIVATIONS.
YET SHOOT ONLY CONSERVATIVES.
AND THEIR CHILDREN.
SO THAT GUN LAWS CAN CHANGE.
AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT IT'S NOT TERRORISM.
YOU'RE JUST A WHACKJOB WITH SPECIFICALLY CONSERVATIVE TARGETS.
DON'T BRING POLITICS INTO THIS
AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
BUT DO IT ANYWAY.
BECAUSE THEN HIS LOGIC WORKS.
EVERYONE ELSE WHO ARE NOT CONSERVATIVES
TRY NOT TO BE WHERE THE NEXT ONE IS
RELAX
DEAL WITH IT
(Long Spike)
Whoa, you could have saved a lot of time and effort. I don't care what someone's political leanings are. If you gun down innocent people, then by my definition, you are a whackjob. Period. Great breakdown though.
My only point is that unless a large block of people in government were murdered by a mass shooter, nothing is going to change. You can bank on it.
(Old Spike)
You think a bunch of government officials being mowed down will finally caused the nation to address the problem of big Pharma and mental illness? I don't see it.
(Long Spike)
Nah. Big Pharma is pumping too much money into the trough of government officials and the mental illness problem is too complicated. The gun issue would only show the beginnings of some type of reform if a large block of government officials or their children were gunned down. As I said, guns aren't going anywhere regardless and continuous mass shootings will result in no changes whatsoever.
(Old Spike)
Right guns aren't going anywhere regardless so what's the point of suggesting that a mass shooting of government officials would be the thing to eliminate the guns that are going to be around regardless? Doesn't seem to me like guns are actually the problem they've been around for a long time and there have been many of them around for a long time. People going batshit crazy and just gunning a bunch of folks down because reasons is a relatively new phenomenon. What changed?
(Long Spike)
garlic is a racist veggie because it is white
(Long Spike)
I laughed a lot harder on this comment than I should have.
(Old Spike)
I dont really understand how theres a "garlic" festival. Does this mean theres also a "potato" festival, a "carrot" festival, and a "pineapple" festival. Does every fruit get a festival? Does this mean every festival is now a free target zone? Hmm, interesting times we live in. I bet if there were snipers on every festival this wouldn't ever happen. It's the fact that no one expects guns at a "garlic" festival that this happens. obv
(Old Spike)
Attacker was an alt right white supremacist is alleged now. Should have gone to a water melon and fried chicken festival instead....
(Long Spike)
he was a vampire