From a cost savings perspective it sounds like it makes a lot of sense. Not sure european countries would ever go to war though but sure... But I guess this means that each country would get rid of their own armies? Or at least have a much smaller national defence for terries and the like.
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Pantysoaker (Long Spike)
Sounds like the ending of The Arms of Krupp by William Manchester.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
She is proposing to "work on the vision that one day there will be a european army". There is not even a draft of a concept.
I see various probable reasons for this (if this is meant to be something more potent than blue helmets):
Russia has become a larger threat to the EU so a united front would be helpful, especially as the US is not a reliable ally any longer and hopefully US troops will vanish from EU soil within the next few years.
At the same time a european army would be way more cost effective than individual country armies so cost wise it would make sense if national armies are either demolished or heavily reduced
Of course this would mean Germany would not have to increase their national spending as asked for by the UN (the latter is a little unreasonable anyway as Germany has a pure national defense army, but the voices for changing this are getting louder)
It would make it harder for countries to "leave" the EU in the future. It would also send a strong message to the "traitor UK" in case brexit is realised.
Should the UK remain this would most probably not have a chance in hell of going through.
Shrewd woman.
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puttefnask (Old Spike)
"She is proposing to "work on the vision that one day there will be a european army". There is not even a draft of a concept."
I didn't pull it out of my ass for all these years. This video is from 2018. Of course there's a draft and a concept.
And your justification of it is laughable:
It's cost effective - to whom? To everyone who joins EU.
That just makes it fine and dandy then. Where do we sign?
It's not a fucking mobile service provider. It's giving up your National sovereignty and replacing your constitution with another made by people you don't know. Some constitutions and laws are adapted gradually through hundreds of years to the living conditions, geography and culture of their people, which makes sense. Applying a one for all will undoubtedly ruin people's lives.
National armies should be demolished or heavily reduced for the same reason of being cost-effectuve?
Wow. I don't even.
"It would make it harder for countries to "leave" the EU in the future. It would also send a strong message to the "traitor UK" in case brexit is realised."
Yes, it would be harder for countries to respect their voters' democratically made decisions if they had an inferior army.
And, sure call UK "traitors" while you're at it... Just dot the "i" over the historically repeated rhetoric.
"Should the UK remain this would most probably not have a chance in hell of going through."
The effort to build a European army was started way before the Brexit mess even started.
Failing to keep one of their members is not reason adequate reason to build an army either, though they are using it as justification.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
I said none of that. I even put "traitor" in inverted commas so that even the dumbest right winger gets the joke.
None of the EU nations lost their "national identity" and won't just because of the EU and the (not yet existing concept of a) EU "army".
Now why don't you go and be offended at someone else snowflake....
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I quoted you from a comment on another video where you mostly dismissed the idea of a European army, fairly recently. Now here you are attempting to justify it simply because you finally saw Merkel openly asking for it. That's what I'm pointing out.
If you are not allowed to display nationalism for your country without reprisal, then of course their eventual goal is that you lose your national identity. Eventually you will only be able to identify as a European, who happens to live in a certain country of the continent. They(The EU/The Left) have equated Nationalism to white supremacy.They've even used it as arguments against people in countries from other continents who disagrees with their own globalist perspective. That's undeniable.
And you can't just repurpose snowflake. We made that word for the far left because they represent people who demand for safe-spaces because they're afraid that dangerous views will break their brittle minds.
But when I call you a comrad, do not mistake my intention with the sense of pride you feel when said by your own while communicating the idea of equality of outcome for all. You, comrad, are just a repeating error in history which will be corrected by its failure to compute and produce a satisfying result. Free speech, which ensures the individual, is the error-correcting code in society which prevails despite repeated attempts by simulated alternatives like socialism and its inevitable communism.
For shame! For thinking alone, and speaking outside the confines of authorized subjects and words granted by our authoritative masters.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
LOL, me contemplating how a european army may be set up is not "justifying" it.
AGAIN: it is an idea that has not even been drafted out yet.
You can display as much nationalism ("proud to be 'murrican") as you like, I really don't care. Keep in mind though, that the most nationistic have done nothing for their country (other than paying as little tax as possible, if any at all) they can be proud of and never will, they just gloat on the co-incidence of being born in a certain place and thus are entitled.
So don't ask me to take nationalists seriously.
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puttefnask (Old Spike)
Ah yes guilt them for being born.
You would make a fine Skeksis.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
"Guilt them for being born"? You are hillarious. No wonder the alt right complains about leftists always twisting the words in their mouths, the alt right tries and is shit at it.
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puttefnask (Old Spike)
"Keep in mind though, that the most nationistic have done nothing for their country (other than paying as little tax as possible, if any at all)"
"they just gloat on the co-incidence of being born in a certain place and thus are entitled."
"Guilt them for being born"? You are hillarious. No wonder the alt right complains about leftists always twisting the words in their mouths, the alt right tries and is shit at it."
Well, if you can't wait two comments before contradicting yourself, again, I don't see the purpose of continuing.
Neo-globalist reaction to criticism:
And I'm not Alt Right, ya daft cunt.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
You really should try and think about waht people write before commenting.
"Nationalists are not guilty of being born", if anything they are stupid enough to be proud of something they have not achieved and not even contributed to. You may want to class it that way as your pride is irrational and this is the only line of defense that remains.
Funny how a few years back it was fashionable to call oneself "alt right" as it sounded fresh and innocent and "maga", now not even those that proudly classed themselves to be part of the "movement" want to be associated.
As there is no definition and I repeatedly asked the right wing specialists for one, "alt right" to me includes anything on the political spectrum that is on par with or further right than your current potus.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
The Europeans want to get away from the US hegemony. France is talking about it too.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
Yeah, the good thing about trump is that he showed the world what american voters are capable of (and to a large extent, although it really seems incredible, still happy with) and that the US cannot and must not be trusted by its allies, not even 2 Bushs managed that!
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
And what exactly has he done that is soo much worse then any of the Bushes or Clinton or Obama???
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
If you don't see a difference in behaviour and statements to other presidents, I don't know how I could possibly explain this to you.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
OK, but behaviour and statements doesn't mean America is no longer a good ally. Just becuase he makes you FEEL uncomfortable does not mean he did anything wrong. Give me some examples of what he did that shows America is not a good ally or that he is worse then two Bush's. If anything I would argue he's been a way better ally, showing force without using force, negotiating for peace rather then on bad terms for the world. Im sorry to break this to you but your feelings dont fucking matter on the world stage. And considering you cannot even give me one example is confirmation your full of shit and dont know what youre talking about. I'd rather have a president grabbing pussy then being a pussy!
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
aaaand our little "conversation" ends right here.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
Yeah, truth hurts too much! Hey I would vote for Tulsi Gabbard over anyone and my second choice would be Bernie, I dont like the fact that the current system is soo fucked up that we end up voting for someone like Trump but we cant change that now and he probably will be elected again and looking back I dont think he's been too bad as I've seen with Bush and Obama. Bush is a fucking war criminal who belongs in prison, Obama is a lying peice of shit who kept the torture and wars going. Trump, what has he done that's so much worse? All I keep hearing is "orange man bad" but no specifics. In fact, I am hearing more and more praise from people. Most people I hang out with are either left wing or Centrist. SO, I really do want to know, what has he done that's soo much worse then Bush or even Obama for that matter, Obama didnt do shit for us, didnt go after the banks like he said he would, didnt shut down GitMo Bay like he said, catered to the insurance companies and fucked us with this ObamaCare, didnt get us out of the wars in the middle east like he said he would, got caught selling weapons to the cartels in mexico, etc... OH BUT he received the fucking Nobel Piece prize.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
What should hurt is your little brain, boy.
You hate all cops because a few abuse their privileged position, some of them rather violently but happily accept your president to abuse his privileged position to sexually assault women.
How would you suggest to have a serious conversation with you?
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I dont hate all cops, I simply want the people to stop being sheep and thinking that cops are above the law, I want them to hold cops accountable. Im showing what cops are capable of doing and waking people up to the tyranny that IS happening. Has there been any allegation of sexual abuse or assault by Trump since he's taken office? Seems to me you are side tracking the convo to something that has no relevance to my original qeustion. How many innocent woman were killed under both Bush's, huh? Is that NOT important to you?
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My comment was not concerning whether or not trump did assault women, it was regarding you happily accepting him if it were the case, if I may quote:
"I'd rather have a president grabbing pussy then being a pussy!"
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(sounds retarded)
Germany playin the long game I see.
(Old Spike)
not sure what to think about that..
(Old Spike)
From a cost savings perspective it sounds like it makes a lot of sense. Not sure european countries would ever go to war though but sure... But I guess this means that each country would get rid of their own armies? Or at least have a much smaller national defence for terries and the like.
(Long Spike)
Sounds like the ending of The Arms of Krupp by William Manchester.
(Old Spike)
She is proposing to "work on the vision that one day there will be a european army". There is not even a draft of a concept.
I see various probable reasons for this (if this is meant to be something more potent than blue helmets):
Russia has become a larger threat to the EU so a united front would be helpful, especially as the US is not a reliable ally any longer and hopefully US troops will vanish from EU soil within the next few years.
At the same time a european army would be way more cost effective than individual country armies so cost wise it would make sense if national armies are either demolished or heavily reduced
Of course this would mean Germany would not have to increase their national spending as asked for by the UN (the latter is a little unreasonable anyway as Germany has a pure national defense army, but the voices for changing this are getting louder)
It would make it harder for countries to "leave" the EU in the future. It would also send a strong message to the "traitor UK" in case brexit is realised.
Should the UK remain this would most probably not have a chance in hell of going through.
Shrewd woman.
(Old Spike)
"She is proposing to "work on the vision that one day there will be a european army". There is not even a draft of a concept."
I didn't pull it out of my ass for all these years. This video is from 2018. Of course there's a draft and a concept.
And your justification of it is laughable:
It's cost effective - to whom? To everyone who joins EU.
That just makes it fine and dandy then. Where do we sign?
It's not a fucking mobile service provider. It's giving up your National sovereignty and replacing your constitution with another made by people you don't know. Some constitutions and laws are adapted gradually through hundreds of years to the living conditions, geography and culture of their people, which makes sense. Applying a one for all will undoubtedly ruin people's lives.
National armies should be demolished or heavily reduced for the same reason of being cost-effectuve?
Wow. I don't even.
"It would make it harder for countries to "leave" the EU in the future. It would also send a strong message to the "traitor UK" in case brexit is realised."
Yes, it would be harder for countries to respect their voters' democratically made decisions if they had an inferior army.
And, sure call UK "traitors" while you're at it... Just dot the "i" over the historically repeated rhetoric.
"Should the UK remain this would most probably not have a chance in hell of going through."
The effort to build a European army was started way before the Brexit mess even started.
Failing to keep one of their members is not reason adequate reason to build an army either, though they are using it as justification.
(Old Spike)
I said none of that. I even put "traitor" in inverted commas so that even the dumbest right winger gets the joke.
None of the EU nations lost their "national identity" and won't just because of the EU and the (not yet existing concept of a) EU "army".
Now why don't you go and be offended at someone else snowflake....
(Old Spike)
I quoted you from a comment on another video where you mostly dismissed the idea of a European army, fairly recently. Now here you are attempting to justify it simply because you finally saw Merkel openly asking for it. That's what I'm pointing out.
If you are not allowed to display nationalism for your country without reprisal, then of course their eventual goal is that you lose your national identity. Eventually you will only be able to identify as a European, who happens to live in a certain country of the continent. They(The EU/The Left) have equated Nationalism to white supremacy.They've even used it as arguments against people in countries from other continents who disagrees with their own globalist perspective. That's undeniable.
And you can't just repurpose snowflake. We made that word for the far left because they represent people who demand for safe-spaces because they're afraid that dangerous views will break their brittle minds.
But when I call you a comrad, do not mistake my intention with the sense of pride you feel when said by your own while communicating the idea of equality of outcome for all. You, comrad, are just a repeating error in history which will be corrected by its failure to compute and produce a satisfying result. Free speech, which ensures the individual, is the error-correcting code in society which prevails despite repeated attempts by simulated alternatives like socialism and its inevitable communism.
For shame! For thinking alone, and speaking outside the confines of authorized subjects and words granted by our authoritative masters.
(Old Spike)
LOL, me contemplating how a european army may be set up is not "justifying" it.
AGAIN: it is an idea that has not even been drafted out yet.
You can display as much nationalism ("proud to be 'murrican") as you like, I really don't care. Keep in mind though, that the most nationistic have done nothing for their country (other than paying as little tax as possible, if any at all) they can be proud of and never will, they just gloat on the co-incidence of being born in a certain place and thus are entitled.
So don't ask me to take nationalists seriously.
(Old Spike)
Ah yes guilt them for being born.
You would make a fine Skeksis.
(Old Spike)
"Guilt them for being born"? You are hillarious. No wonder the alt right complains about leftists always twisting the words in their mouths, the alt right tries and is shit at it.
(Old Spike)
"Keep in mind though, that the most nationistic have done nothing for their country (other than paying as little tax as possible, if any at all)"
"they just gloat on the co-incidence of being born in a certain place and thus are entitled."
"Guilt them for being born"? You are hillarious. No wonder the alt right complains about leftists always twisting the words in their mouths, the alt right tries and is shit at it."
Well, if you can't wait two comments before contradicting yourself, again, I don't see the purpose of continuing.
Neo-globalist reaction to criticism:
And I'm not Alt Right, ya daft cunt.
(Old Spike)
You really should try and think about waht people write before commenting.
"Nationalists are not guilty of being born", if anything they are stupid enough to be proud of something they have not achieved and not even contributed to. You may want to class it that way as your pride is irrational and this is the only line of defense that remains.
Funny how a few years back it was fashionable to call oneself "alt right" as it sounded fresh and innocent and "maga", now not even those that proudly classed themselves to be part of the "movement" want to be associated.
As there is no definition and I repeatedly asked the right wing specialists for one, "alt right" to me includes anything on the political spectrum that is on par with or further right than your current potus.
(Old Spike)
The Europeans want to get away from the US hegemony. France is talking about it too.
(Old Spike)
Yeah, the good thing about trump is that he showed the world what american voters are capable of (and to a large extent, although it really seems incredible, still happy with) and that the US cannot and must not be trusted by its allies, not even 2 Bushs managed that!
(sounds retarded)
And what exactly has he done that is soo much worse then any of the Bushes or Clinton or Obama???
(Old Spike)
If you don't see a difference in behaviour and statements to other presidents, I don't know how I could possibly explain this to you.
(sounds retarded)
OK, but behaviour and statements doesn't mean America is no longer a good ally. Just becuase he makes you FEEL uncomfortable does not mean he did anything wrong. Give me some examples of what he did that shows America is not a good ally or that he is worse then two Bush's. If anything I would argue he's been a way better ally, showing force without using force, negotiating for peace rather then on bad terms for the world. Im sorry to break this to you but your feelings dont fucking matter on the world stage. And considering you cannot even give me one example is confirmation your full of shit and dont know what youre talking about. I'd rather have a president grabbing pussy then being a pussy!
(Old Spike)
aaaand our little "conversation" ends right here.
(sounds retarded)
Yeah, truth hurts too much! Hey I would vote for Tulsi Gabbard over anyone and my second choice would be Bernie, I dont like the fact that the current system is soo fucked up that we end up voting for someone like Trump but we cant change that now and he probably will be elected again and looking back I dont think he's been too bad as I've seen with Bush and Obama. Bush is a fucking war criminal who belongs in prison, Obama is a lying peice of shit who kept the torture and wars going. Trump, what has he done that's so much worse? All I keep hearing is "orange man bad" but no specifics. In fact, I am hearing more and more praise from people. Most people I hang out with are either left wing or Centrist. SO, I really do want to know, what has he done that's soo much worse then Bush or even Obama for that matter, Obama didnt do shit for us, didnt go after the banks like he said he would, didnt shut down GitMo Bay like he said, catered to the insurance companies and fucked us with this ObamaCare, didnt get us out of the wars in the middle east like he said he would, got caught selling weapons to the cartels in mexico, etc... OH BUT he received the fucking Nobel Piece prize.
(Old Spike)
What should hurt is your little brain, boy.
You hate all cops because a few abuse their privileged position, some of them rather violently but happily accept your president to abuse his privileged position to sexually assault women.
How would you suggest to have a serious conversation with you?
(sounds retarded)
I dont hate all cops, I simply want the people to stop being sheep and thinking that cops are above the law, I want them to hold cops accountable. Im showing what cops are capable of doing and waking people up to the tyranny that IS happening. Has there been any allegation of sexual abuse or assault by Trump since he's taken office? Seems to me you are side tracking the convo to something that has no relevance to my original qeustion. How many innocent woman were killed under both Bush's, huh? Is that NOT important to you?
(Old Spike)
My comment was not concerning whether or not trump did assault women, it was regarding you happily accepting him if it were the case, if I may quote:
"I'd rather have a president grabbing pussy then being a pussy!"