If every launch requires a substantial repair / rebuild of the launch facility that will be an expensive and time consuming exercise.
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backdraft (Site Moderator)
I think the need a flame trench like the shuttle had.
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Nakey (Site Administrator)
yeah, unfortunately space x kinda build themselves into a corner. because of the water table they can't dig a mighty flame diverter trench like that. looks like they are considering some sort of water cooled ablative steel plates as flame diverters and a more powerful water deluge system.
btw team meeting this weekend, probably saturday, you in?
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backdraft (Site Moderator)
The biggest problem might come when they try to land on the moon or mars. It's going to dig a giant hole and land in it ;)
What time are you planning the meeting?
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Nakey (Site Administrator)
yeah, i have to time this well so people aren't waiting on my dumb arse to show up at 4 am.
so if it's 10am in toronto, it's 12am sunday in sydney and 3pm un the uk.
how does that sound?
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backdraft (Site Moderator)
That would be 5pm in Finland then. Have some things to do, but I'll try and make it
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n0val33t (Old Spike)
dissagree, zero challenge to build a pit like that .... it's done all the time around the world and surely as we speak there's a pit in say Manhattan, Netherlands, hell even little Norway somewhere/thing comparable. being built for residential purposes likely on a greater scale at that.
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Nakey (Site Administrator)
i understand that plates can be installed to keep the water out then the ground pumped dry kinda like a coffer dam. they do this in newzeland because it has wet soil before laying a foundation and i assume similar things are done elsewhere. when you look at the nasa launch facility in florida where there's a similar situation they haven't done this. the launch platforms are all raised so i assume there's a good reason why they didn't dig.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
The flame trench of the shuttle diverted the flames and thrust to the sides. Probably because you don't want any sudden back pressure this needs to be done as smooth as possible and digging would be prohibitive in cost. Also they had problems with flying debris too:
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(Old Spike)
If every launch requires a substantial repair / rebuild of the launch facility that will be an expensive and time consuming exercise.
(Site Moderator)
I think the need a flame trench like the shuttle had.
(Site Administrator)
yeah, unfortunately space x kinda build themselves into a corner. because of the water table they can't dig a mighty flame diverter trench like that. looks like they are considering some sort of water cooled ablative steel plates as flame diverters and a more powerful water deluge system.
btw team meeting this weekend, probably saturday, you in?
(Site Moderator)
The biggest problem might come when they try to land on the moon or mars. It's going to dig a giant hole and land in it ;)
What time are you planning the meeting?
(Site Administrator)
yeah, i have to time this well so people aren't waiting on my dumb arse to show up at 4 am.
so if it's 10am in toronto, it's 12am sunday in sydney and 3pm un the uk.
how does that sound?
(Site Moderator)
That would be 5pm in Finland then. Have some things to do, but I'll try and make it
(Old Spike)
dissagree, zero challenge to build a pit like that .... it's done all the time around the world and surely as we speak there's a pit in say Manhattan, Netherlands, hell even little Norway somewhere/thing comparable. being built for residential purposes likely on a greater scale at that.
(Site Administrator)
i understand that plates can be installed to keep the water out then the ground pumped dry kinda like a coffer dam. they do this in newzeland because it has wet soil before laying a foundation and i assume similar things are done elsewhere. when you look at the nasa launch facility in florida where there's a similar situation they haven't done this. the launch platforms are all raised so i assume there's a good reason why they didn't dig.
(Old Spike)
The flame trench of the shuttle diverted the flames and thrust to the sides. Probably because you don't want any sudden back pressure this needs to be done as smooth as possible and digging would be prohibitive in cost. Also they had problems with flying debris too: