watched the bit with rfkj where he was way off about vaccines, but this guy is wrong in the other direction - there is both good vaccine and bad vaccine science, and there has been a lot of pro-vax complete bunk also. yes dunning-kruger in this case, but assuming that all pro-vax positions are correct just because some anti-positions are incorrect, or that there is nothing in between the pro-all-vax and anti-all-vax positions are also logical fallacies. i also watched much of the rogan talk with weinstein, and weinstein falls far from the dunning-kruger tree with a lifetime of work in biological sciences, not to mention he was one of the first to show how the lab leak hypothesis was an entirely reasonable conjecture, and history has proved him right on that and plenty of other points.
been looking for this guy's vid on weinstein but can't find it, anyone know what he's claiming?
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Whataboutism. Did you listen to the presenter's reasoning in the video above? He laid it all out in little teaspoonfuls. Little baby steps. He did everything but start the video with an explanatory statement about English being an Indo-European language.
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sato (Old Spike)
"rfkj ... was way off about vaccines". where's the whataboutism?
i know he laid it out, i'm agreeing with it. perhaps you misunderstood my comment?
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'there is both good vaccine and bad vaccine science, and there has been a lot of pro-vax complete bunk also'.
Seems I read that fine. Or, maybe you'd like to elaborate. I'd like to know what support there is for that statement.
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sal9000 (Old Spike)
this guy?
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
Bullshit!
Weinstein excluded himself from scientific scrutiny years ago because quite some of his weirder hypotheses were not being taken seriously by his peers (reputable scientists) and now rides his own (also and especially covid antivax) agenda train that gets him the most followers (see my reasoning below): "Look, people, I am a scientist who excluded himself from the scientific community because "they" don't want you to know the truth, so I now tell you what you want to hear and expose "them"! I AM ALL THE (scientific) TRUTH YOU NEED!"
The lableak hypothesis was of course NEVER disregarded by reputable and competent investigators AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS, who, in contrary to weinstein and all the other "conspiracy spreaders and benefiters" actually had all the relevant data available to them.
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good example of what i mean by the fallacy of assuming there's nothing in between. it doesn't matter who a person or what some of their hypothesis are, because a person doesn't have to be completely right about everything or completely wrong about everything, there's a lot in between.
the lableak hypothesis was disregarded. it was called a conspiracy theory, the WHO released a report saying it was "extremely unlikely", and the CDC had social media platforms label the lab leak as misinformation.
".... a person doesn't have to be completely right about everything or completely wrong about everything, there's a lot in between."
That is correct. The way one deals with "not being correct", however, matters. Literally daily scientists are called out as "being wrong" in peer review processes, unlike Weinstein they welcome this "criticism" and do more research or correct their studies and DON'T leave the the scientific community and become sort of a cult leader. So in contrary to him they can be trusted.
"the lableak hypothesis was disregarded."
It wasn't, you even contradict yourself in the next sentence.
" it was called a conspiracy theory, the WHO released a report saying it was "extremely unlikely", and the CDC had social media platforms label the lab leak as misinformation."
"Extremely unlikely" is not "impossible", it simply means no evidence has been found for it YET, NOT that it will not be pursued should any evidence appear.
What was labeled or removed from sm were statements that promoted there was evidence when there actually wasn't.
lol Thinking about it the same rules should be applied to any religious posts, that would be hillarious.
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
Ooh that last paragraph. It's Sunday and you don't know what to do with yourself again, eh? Lol.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
Didn't see you there triggerboy.
Were you in favour of marking "covid" articles that contradicted current science or claimed "reason was lab leak" like there was proof for it?
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
Read that three times and can't make sense of the question. Try again pupper.
I looked for you in church by the way. Even told the priest to go lite on the incense cause we know how it bothers you.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
Don't want it to make sense? yep, figures.
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'Were you in favour of marking "covid" articles that contradicted current science or claimed "reason was lab leak" like there was proof for it?'
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'Marking covid'..
what,.. like is that a verb or something? Yeah, still not sure.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
looks like you are not as bright as you think you are. Don't want to answer that's fine. Conversations witrh you deteriorate very quickly when you are cornered.
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You're the one unwilling (or unable) to state a question in such a way that it's intelligible.
Tell you what. Type it in schnitzel and I'll run it through Google translate.
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This is again such a beautiful example why nutcases (who tell their audience in a few words what they want to hear) have millions of views on sm and scientists don't. Debunking this dumb shit, that is squirted out in seconds, is tiresome and longwinded.
And this is one of the reasons why I don't listen to shit rogan produces.
You cannot and actually MUST NOT give people like kennedy a platform and deal with them as they knew what they are talking about.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
RFK is gaining ground among the democrats and breaking their brainwashing.
Looks like the only viable option they have to run against him is Michelle Obama and Newsom for 24.
Imagine an election Of Trump or RFK ticket. Lol.
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sal9000 (Old Spike)
he's not gaining any ground among democrates. he's gaining ground among republicans and the alt right
moms for liberty had to apologize for quoting hitler this week. they also decided it would be a good idea to cough through a moment of silence for holocaust victims. rfk appeals to people like you
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
So what your saying is democrats as you think of them have been revealed as the fringe minority.
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
Kennedy's doing it out of the goodness of his heart I tell ya
There is nothing wrong with writing and selling books.
"Whatever his total take, the square-jawed scion is giving his cut to Children’s Health Defense, according to Rita Shreffler, the outfit’s spokeswoman, speaking on behalf of Kennedy."
If this is the case. How is this bad? You probably have to claim a salary in order to obey tax laws, so taking a salary in the first place is a safety measure against the IRS. And if he donating the total take to charity than he is reinvesting in the cause as opposed to exploiting profits.
With the possibility of two anti establishment candidates being the only ticket choice of the critical 2024 election. There is every possible shadow interest in destroying both candidates by any and every lever of power at their disposal.
What is fascinating to me, Is that if his character cannot be assaulted, everyone would resort to attacking his blown out voice. Which is a blatantly easy target, and due to humanities shallow nature can be a blow against his charisma which is a neccesary skill to inspire people.
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Sure. sure. But, you'll also want to look at what he charges for speaker fees as he spreads his super-critical life-saving message. (I'm being sarcastic in the second part of this sentence as it's skipping out on childhood vaccines that needlessly puts lives at risk).
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sal9000 (Old Spike)
rks on fox news, he got praise from tucker carlson, he was recently on with jordan peterson where he mentions something similar to alex jones' gay frogs
people who are enthralled with this guy are also going to be a bit, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-vax and maybe even anti-jew. they're not democrats. they'll lie and call themselves centrists but their just on the right
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
You don't even know where the center is.
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sal9000 (Old Spike)
to my right
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
I would highly doubt that he would even be considered as a candidate by anyone other than the most deluded far right.
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Considering your standards of what qualifies as far right. That equals 90% of the population.
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jdt73 (Short Spike)
Ah yes, a cartoon person to tell us that everything is in order and there is nothing to see here.
Sweet, Im off to get my 10th booster shot.
Totally effective. (so long as you never come into contact with the COVID virus)
Totally safe. (so long as what you mean by totally is only 1/800 people are injured by the shot)
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(Site Administrator)
Listen here muggles.
(Old Spike)
watched the bit with rfkj where he was way off about vaccines, but this guy is wrong in the other direction - there is both good vaccine and bad vaccine science, and there has been a lot of pro-vax complete bunk also. yes dunning-kruger in this case, but assuming that all pro-vax positions are correct just because some anti-positions are incorrect, or that there is nothing in between the pro-all-vax and anti-all-vax positions are also logical fallacies. i also watched much of the rogan talk with weinstein, and weinstein falls far from the dunning-kruger tree with a lifetime of work in biological sciences, not to mention he was one of the first to show how the lab leak hypothesis was an entirely reasonable conjecture, and history has proved him right on that and plenty of other points.
been looking for this guy's vid on weinstein but can't find it, anyone know what he's claiming?
(Site Administrator)
Whataboutism. Did you listen to the presenter's reasoning in the video above? He laid it all out in little teaspoonfuls. Little baby steps. He did everything but start the video with an explanatory statement about English being an Indo-European language.
(Old Spike)
"rfkj ... was way off about vaccines". where's the whataboutism?
i know he laid it out, i'm agreeing with it. perhaps you misunderstood my comment?
(Site Administrator)
'there is both good vaccine and bad vaccine science, and there has been a lot of pro-vax complete bunk also'.
Seems I read that fine. Or, maybe you'd like to elaborate. I'd like to know what support there is for that statement.
(Old Spike)
this guy?
(Old Spike)
Bullshit!
Weinstein excluded himself from scientific scrutiny years ago because quite some of his weirder hypotheses were not being taken seriously by his peers (reputable scientists) and now rides his own (also and especially covid antivax) agenda train that gets him the most followers (see my reasoning below): "Look, people, I am a scientist who excluded himself from the scientific community because "they" don't want you to know the truth, so I now tell you what you want to hear and expose "them"! I AM ALL THE (scientific) TRUTH YOU NEED!"
The lableak hypothesis was of course NEVER disregarded by reputable and competent investigators AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS, who, in contrary to weinstein and all the other "conspiracy spreaders and benefiters" actually had all the relevant data available to them.
(Old Spike)
good example of what i mean by the fallacy of assuming there's nothing in between. it doesn't matter who a person or what some of their hypothesis are, because a person doesn't have to be completely right about everything or completely wrong about everything, there's a lot in between.
the lableak hypothesis was disregarded. it was called a conspiracy theory, the WHO released a report saying it was "extremely unlikely", and the CDC had social media platforms label the lab leak as misinformation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/25/timeline-how-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-suddenly-became-credible/
(Old Spike)
".... a person doesn't have to be completely right about everything or completely wrong about everything, there's a lot in between."
That is correct. The way one deals with "not being correct", however, matters. Literally daily scientists are called out as "being wrong" in peer review processes, unlike Weinstein they welcome this "criticism" and do more research or correct their studies and DON'T leave the the scientific community and become sort of a cult leader. So in contrary to him they can be trusted.
"the lableak hypothesis was disregarded."
It wasn't, you even contradict yourself in the next sentence.
" it was called a conspiracy theory, the WHO released a report saying it was "extremely unlikely", and the CDC had social media platforms label the lab leak as misinformation."
"Extremely unlikely" is not "impossible", it simply means no evidence has been found for it YET, NOT that it will not be pursued should any evidence appear.
What was labeled or removed from sm were statements that promoted there was evidence when there actually wasn't.
lol Thinking about it the same rules should be applied to any religious posts, that would be hillarious.
(Site Administrator)
Ooh that last paragraph. It's Sunday and you don't know what to do with yourself again, eh? Lol.
(Old Spike)
Didn't see you there triggerboy.
Were you in favour of marking "covid" articles that contradicted current science or claimed "reason was lab leak" like there was proof for it?
(Site Administrator)
Read that three times and can't make sense of the question. Try again pupper.
I looked for you in church by the way. Even told the priest to go lite on the incense cause we know how it bothers you.
(Old Spike)
Don't want it to make sense? yep, figures.
(Site Administrator)
'Were you in favour of marking "covid" articles that contradicted current science or claimed "reason was lab leak" like there was proof for it?'
...
'Marking covid'..
what,.. like is that a verb or something? Yeah, still not sure.
(Old Spike)
looks like you are not as bright as you think you are. Don't want to answer that's fine. Conversations witrh you deteriorate very quickly when you are cornered.
(Site Administrator)
You're the one unwilling (or unable) to state a question in such a way that it's intelligible.
Tell you what. Type it in schnitzel and I'll run it through Google translate.
(Old Spike)
This is again such a beautiful example why nutcases (who tell their audience in a few words what they want to hear) have millions of views on sm and scientists don't. Debunking this dumb shit, that is squirted out in seconds, is tiresome and longwinded.
And this is one of the reasons why I don't listen to shit rogan produces.
You cannot and actually MUST NOT give people like kennedy a platform and deal with them as they knew what they are talking about.
(Old Spike)
RFK is gaining ground among the democrats and breaking their brainwashing.
Looks like the only viable option they have to run against him is Michelle Obama and Newsom for 24.
Imagine an election Of Trump or RFK ticket. Lol.
(Old Spike)
he's not gaining any ground among democrates. he's gaining ground among republicans and the alt right
moms for liberty had to apologize for quoting hitler this week. they also decided it would be a good idea to cough through a moment of silence for holocaust victims. rfk appeals to people like you
(Old Spike)
So what your saying is democrats as you think of them have been revealed as the fringe minority.
(Site Administrator)
Kennedy's doing it out of the goodness of his heart I tell ya
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2022/02/02/robert-f-kennedy-jr-anti-vax-crusade-is-making-him-millions/amp/
(Old Spike)
There is nothing wrong with writing and selling books.
"Whatever his total take, the square-jawed scion is giving his cut to Children’s Health Defense, according to Rita Shreffler, the outfit’s spokeswoman, speaking on behalf of Kennedy."
If this is the case. How is this bad? You probably have to claim a salary in order to obey tax laws, so taking a salary in the first place is a safety measure against the IRS. And if he donating the total take to charity than he is reinvesting in the cause as opposed to exploiting profits.
With the possibility of two anti establishment candidates being the only ticket choice of the critical 2024 election. There is every possible shadow interest in destroying both candidates by any and every lever of power at their disposal.
What is fascinating to me, Is that if his character cannot be assaulted, everyone would resort to attacking his blown out voice. Which is a blatantly easy target, and due to humanities shallow nature can be a blow against his charisma which is a neccesary skill to inspire people.
(Site Administrator)
Sure. sure. But, you'll also want to look at what he charges for speaker fees as he spreads his super-critical life-saving message. (I'm being sarcastic in the second part of this sentence as it's skipping out on childhood vaccines that needlessly puts lives at risk).
(Old Spike)
rks on fox news, he got praise from tucker carlson, he was recently on with jordan peterson where he mentions something similar to alex jones' gay frogs
people who are enthralled with this guy are also going to be a bit, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-vax and maybe even anti-jew. they're not democrats. they'll lie and call themselves centrists but their just on the right
(Old Spike)
You don't even know where the center is.
(Old Spike)
to my right
(Old Spike)
I would highly doubt that he would even be considered as a candidate by anyone other than the most deluded far right.
(Old Spike)
Considering your standards of what qualifies as far right. That equals 90% of the population.
(Old Spike)
(Short Spike)
Ah yes, a cartoon person to tell us that everything is in order and there is nothing to see here.
Sweet, Im off to get my 10th booster shot.
Totally effective. (so long as you never come into contact with the COVID virus)
Totally safe. (so long as what you mean by totally is only 1/800 people are injured by the shot)
(Old Spike)
(Short Spike)