Doesn't matter. He wasn't thanking Trump personally.
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
Or again..today..at this specific meeting.
Vance made himself look like a total tool.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
Actions speak louder than words. His demeanor and resitance to the deal says he was unthankful.
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backdraft (Site Moderator)
Maybe Trump thinks Putin is a great guy and he doesn't like when people talk trash about his friends.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
Or maybe you dont trash talk someone you are trying to negotiate with. Very stupid.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
Yes, you shouldn't, would you class trash talk as:
complaining about their attire
classing them as a dictator
wrongly accusing them as the aggressor
wrongly accusing them as being ungrateful
wrongly accusing them of being at fault for 2 million deaths
etc etc
or is this just some friendly banter?
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backdraft (Site Moderator)
You forgot this: Accusing of gambling with WW3, when they are the ones being invaded.
Like the ultimate fucking spin. Blaming the victim.
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
What negotiating? He attempted to castrate Zielinski (and Ukraine) on air, this undermining any position they have going in.
Aww shit, Stoke. I keep forgetting you're raised on a steady diet of this.
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backdraft (Site Moderator)
" Or maybe you dont trash talk someone you are trying to negotiate with. Very stupid."
I keep hearing this. Tell me what Zelesky said that offended orange man so deeply that they couldn't get a deal done.
Heres the video so you can listen through it instead of being told by FOX what went down.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
Oh right, an edited version. Nice one. Yes, I did watch the whole thing in its entirety. No, i dont watch Fox news. Trump says he will not trash talk Putin when he is trying to negotiate with him. Jesus christ man, did you watch your own video? Its 20 seconds in.
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Bobbob (Site Administrator)
Ok, Stokke. Since you saw the whole thing. What does Trump mean when he says about him and Putler, 'what we went through'. Are they like best buds now or what.
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backdraft (Site Moderator)
Its not edited, maybe theres a longer version but the debate part is all there.
I asked where does Zelensky hurt Trumps feelings?
"Its 20 seconds in"
Trump is talking @ 0:20.
Is it really that hard to pin point what and where Zelensky said that was so reprehensible?
Zelensky did press Vance on what kind of diplomacy he is planing to do with Putin as they have experience how well yhis has gone in the past. Putin can sign all kinds of deal and they aren't worth shit.
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
Ugh..Trump says Putin didnt break any deals he made with him(Trump), Zelensky kept saying Putin did...thats where Trump got pissed. Basically calling Trump weak and ineffective. If Putin breaks his word with Trump there would be hell to pay and it wont be just some sanctions. Trump doesnt fuck around like all those other feckless weak politicians. Putin knows this, so does everyone else. Rememebr the "I have a bigger red button"? The best shot at peace deal is with Trump. End of story. Zelensky fucked that up.
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" Basically calling Trump weak and ineffective."
Really. Seems the maga crowd has grown so sensitive that everything is interpreted as an attack on Trump.
Zelensky just saying like it is. Putin can't be trusted. Diplomacy is out of the window. He has proven it time and time again. Zelensky has experienced it in the most bloody way possible so maybe it is understandable that he is pissed. And all the while Trump saying not to talk negatively about Putin....
Putin might not bullshit Trump but he doesn't have to. He simply wont make a deal unless it's extremely beneficial to him. Trump doesn't have anything to offer to Putin, other than to get Zelensky to make big concession. It seems this is what this meeting was about.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
There are rumours that re-starting nordstream2 is also part of the "deal"
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stokkebye (sounds retarded)
You asked what Zelensky said that insulted Trump, I told you and you say Im sensitive. Wtf?
Hey, I get it, I wish Ukraine can win, I want Putin to lose. I dont trust Putin either and know he cannot be trusted but I trust Trump, if he says he garuntees it then I beleive him, he has the power and the balls to back it up.
Im just saying it like it is.
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" You asked what Zelensky said that insulted Trump, I told you and you say Im sensitive. Wtf?"
Yes WTF indeed.
Zelensky said Putin cannot be trusted. THAT'S IT.
If you can turn that into "Trump is weak and ineffective", then yes, you are just looking for a reason to be offended about.
" I trust Trump, if he says he garuntees it then I beleive him, he has the power and the balls to back it up."
Yeah there are limits to what he can do. Remember WW3 and all that. Thats why the US can only supply weapons, not get involved directly. Putin will only give up once he got the land he wants, Trump can't offer that unless he can muscle Zelensky into a deal.
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(Site Moderator)
Doesn't matter. He wasn't thanking Trump personally.
(Site Administrator)
Or again..today..at this specific meeting.
Vance made himself look like a total tool.
(sounds retarded)
Actions speak louder than words. His demeanor and resitance to the deal says he was unthankful.
(Site Moderator)
Maybe Trump thinks Putin is a great guy and he doesn't like when people talk trash about his friends.
(sounds retarded)
Or maybe you dont trash talk someone you are trying to negotiate with. Very stupid.
(Old Spike)
Yes, you shouldn't, would you class trash talk as:
etc etc
or is this just some friendly banter?
(Site Moderator)
You forgot this: Accusing of gambling with WW3, when they are the ones being invaded.
Like the ultimate fucking spin. Blaming the victim.
(Site Administrator)
What negotiating? He attempted to castrate Zielinski (and Ukraine) on air, this undermining any position they have going in.
Aww shit, Stoke. I keep forgetting you're raised on a steady diet of this.
(Site Moderator)
" Or maybe you dont trash talk someone you are trying to negotiate with. Very stupid."
I keep hearing this. Tell me what Zelesky said that offended orange man so deeply that they couldn't get a deal done.
Heres the video so you can listen through it instead of being told by FOX what went down.
(sounds retarded)
Oh right, an edited version. Nice one. Yes, I did watch the whole thing in its entirety. No, i dont watch Fox news. Trump says he will not trash talk Putin when he is trying to negotiate with him. Jesus christ man, did you watch your own video? Its 20 seconds in.
(Site Administrator)
Ok, Stokke. Since you saw the whole thing. What does Trump mean when he says about him and Putler, 'what we went through'. Are they like best buds now or what.
(Site Moderator)
Its not edited, maybe theres a longer version but the debate part is all there.
I asked where does Zelensky hurt Trumps feelings?
"Its 20 seconds in"
Trump is talking @ 0:20.
Is it really that hard to pin point what and where Zelensky said that was so reprehensible?
Zelensky did press Vance on what kind of diplomacy he is planing to do with Putin as they have experience how well yhis has gone in the past. Putin can sign all kinds of deal and they aren't worth shit.
(sounds retarded)
Ugh..Trump says Putin didnt break any deals he made with him(Trump), Zelensky kept saying Putin did...thats where Trump got pissed. Basically calling Trump weak and ineffective. If Putin breaks his word with Trump there would be hell to pay and it wont be just some sanctions. Trump doesnt fuck around like all those other feckless weak politicians. Putin knows this, so does everyone else. Rememebr the "I have a bigger red button"? The best shot at peace deal is with Trump. End of story. Zelensky fucked that up.
(Site Moderator)
" Basically calling Trump weak and ineffective."
Really. Seems the maga crowd has grown so sensitive that everything is interpreted as an attack on Trump.
Zelensky just saying like it is. Putin can't be trusted. Diplomacy is out of the window. He has proven it time and time again. Zelensky has experienced it in the most bloody way possible so maybe it is understandable that he is pissed. And all the while Trump saying not to talk negatively about Putin....
Putin might not bullshit Trump but he doesn't have to. He simply wont make a deal unless it's extremely beneficial to him. Trump doesn't have anything to offer to Putin, other than to get Zelensky to make big concession. It seems this is what this meeting was about.
(Old Spike)
There are rumours that re-starting nordstream2 is also part of the "deal"
(sounds retarded)
You asked what Zelensky said that insulted Trump, I told you and you say Im sensitive. Wtf?
Hey, I get it, I wish Ukraine can win, I want Putin to lose. I dont trust Putin either and know he cannot be trusted but I trust Trump, if he says he garuntees it then I beleive him, he has the power and the balls to back it up.
Im just saying it like it is.
(Site Moderator)
" You asked what Zelensky said that insulted Trump, I told you and you say Im sensitive. Wtf?"
Yes WTF indeed.
Zelensky said Putin cannot be trusted. THAT'S IT.
If you can turn that into "Trump is weak and ineffective", then yes, you are just looking for a reason to be offended about.
" I trust Trump, if he says he garuntees it then I beleive him, he has the power and the balls to back it up."
Yeah there are limits to what he can do. Remember WW3 and all that. Thats why the US can only supply weapons, not get involved directly. Putin will only give up once he got the land he wants, Trump can't offer that unless he can muscle Zelensky into a deal.