This is chilling!

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stokkebye's picture

Oh my god...what a fucking drama queen. Go and ask some cartel gangbangers to stay at YOUR fucking house. Fucking twat! They have no rights, they are illegal aliens you tards.

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Benign Individual's picture

The Trump administration 'Claims' they are criminals. It isn't the same as going through the legal process to determine the truth of that. I wouldn't trust anything they 'claim' given in this circumstance its a politically useful move to appear strong to his base since every other attempt the administration has made has been shut down by the judges making them appear weak. It isn't difficult to see how this is just a cynical shallow move and not a well thought out rigorous system to determine guilt.

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stokkebye's picture

Not hard to figure out gang members. Not like they hide that fact. Are you even American?

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you guys did a mass deportation in the 1930's. half of the "illegal immigrants" that were deported, turned out to be american citizens. you guys threw a bunch of japanese into internment camps during ww2, turns out they we're american citizens. knowing your history, what are the chances you got it right this time around?

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stokkebye's picture

Gang members are pretty easy to identify. Its not like they hide the fact. A bit different than some 1st or 2nd gen citizens. 

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bud, think about the time you got arrested and why, how if that were to happen today, you'd be considered a gang member. how you're a third generation citizen and without due process, you'd be on a plane heading to italy. how i'd be here saying no oversight has gone into making sure that only non citizens are deported, while they argue that you can easily identify a gang member

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Are you really suggesting they are us citizens? That protest event happened under Obama btw.

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i'm suggesting without due process, there's definitely some us citizens that have been deported to a country they've never been to before. can you imagine what trump thinks of someone that protests an oil pipeline?

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stokkebye's picture

Or protesting a rigged election... nice straw man you created there bud. 

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considering how your bailing out of the topic, i'd say i did pretty good

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Mahmoud Khalil was deported for protesting at a Campus and he had a green card they just deported him even though he had a greencard

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Yes, that gave him permission to come here and study. Shit got revoked so he gone. Whats the big deal? Go back to your own country and cause trouble there!

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Green card and rights (includes "having an opinion" and "peaceful protest" btw):

A Green Card (Lawful Permanent Resident status) grants several rights and responsibilities in the U.S. While Green Card holders are not U.S. citizens, they have many legal protections and privileges.

Rights of a Green Card Holder

1. Right to Live and Work in the U.S.

  • Green Card holders can live permanently in the U.S. as long as they do not violate immigration laws.
  • They can work legally for any employer (except for certain government jobs requiring U.S. citizenship).

2. Protection Under U.S. Laws

  • Green Card holders have the same legal protections as U.S. citizens under the U.S. Constitution and state laws.
  • This includes due process, equal protection, and access to the court system.

3. Right to Travel In and Out of the U.S.

  • Green Card holders can travel abroad but must maintain their U.S. residence.
  • Extended stays outside the U.S. (usually over 6 months) may result in loss of permanent residency unless they apply for a re-entry permit.

4. Eligibility for Social Benefits

  • Green Card holders can qualify for Social Security, Medicare, and other federal benefits after meeting certain work requirements.
  • Some state benefits, such as in-state college tuition, may also be available.

5. Right to Sponsor Relatives for Green Cards

  • They can petition for spouses and unmarried children to receive Green Cards.

6. Path to U.S. Citizenship

  • After 5 years (or 3 years if married to a U.S. citizen), Green Card holders can apply for naturalization to become U.S. citizens.

Limitations of a Green Card Holder

Despite many rights, Green Card holders do not have the same privileges as U.S. citizens, including:

No Right to Vote in federal elections (some states allow local voting).
No U.S. Passport (must use the passport of their home country).
Limited Government Jobs (some require U.S. citizenship).
Risk of Deportation if they commit serious crimes or violate immigration laws.

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stokkebye's picture

Ffs, are two even Americans? Stay in your lane. Mind your own countries.

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What difference does it make whether these two are american or not? 
 

The issue is people are deported to foreign prisons WITHOUT conviction and AGAINST a judge's ruling. The government has put itself ABOVE the law. 

 

This may go "your way" at the moment because it involves brown people but may very quickly backfire once the police is in on it and arrest anyone they dislike, and you buddy, if you really are as dumb and loudmouthed irl as you are on here, will be one of the first ones, or maybe your kid if you have any they haven't learned to think for themselves, because the apple doesn't fall far, you know......

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stokkebye's picture

As a CITIZEN, i am afforded due process and rights under my constitution. People coming here illegally do not get that. Fucking dumbass!

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ANYBODY is entitled to due process, genious! 

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stokkebye's picture

Not according to the Alien Enemies Act! Haha dumbass!

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your awakening will be brutal and there wont be any constitution left to be called "mine"

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lol, exactly!

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stokkebye's picture

How so? Where did Trump violate the constitution?

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W-O-W

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BTW, this is how grok answers the question "how did deporting criminals to el salvador violate the constitution?"

The question of whether deporting criminals to El Salvador violates the U.S. Constitution depends on the specifics of who was deported, the legal processes followed, and the context of the deportations. Based on available information, particularly regarding recent events in March 2025, several constitutional concerns have been raised by legal experts, advocates, and observers. Below, I’ll outline the key constitutional issues that may apply, focusing on the principles involved rather than definitively stating a violation occurred, as that would require a court ruling.

1. Due Process Clause (Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments)

The Fifth Amendment guarantees that no person shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," a protection that applies to all persons within U.S. jurisdiction, including non-citizens. The Fourteenth Amendment extends similar protections, emphasizing equal application of the law. Critics argue that deporting individuals—particularly non-citizens—to El Salvador without adequate legal proceedings could violate this right.

  • Context: In mid-March 2025, the Trump administration deported over 250 alleged gang members (mostly Venezuelans) to El Salvador, invoking the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. This law allows the president to detain or deport nationals of a country at war with the U.S. without standard immigration proceedings. However, a federal judge, James E. Boasberg, issued a temporary restraining order on March 15, 2025, blocking the use of this act, arguing it was misapplied since the U.S. is not at war with Venezuela or any related state. Reports indicate some deportations occurred after this order, raising questions about whether individuals were denied due process.
  • Potential Violation: If deportees were not given a chance to contest their designation as gang members or "enemy aliens" through a hearing or trial, this could breach their due process rights. The Alien Enemies Act bypasses typical immigration court processes, which some legal scholars, like those from the ACLU, argue does not align with modern constitutional standards requiring notice and a fair hearing, especially for non-citizens who may have legal protections (e.g., asylum claims).

2. Citizenship Protections (Fourteenth Amendment)

The Fourteenth Amendment grants citizenship to those born or naturalized in the U.S. and protects citizens from being stripped of their rights, including deportation. While the recent deportations primarily involved non-citizens, earlier proposals from El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele—announced in February 2025 and supported by U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio—suggested accepting convicted U.S. citizens into El Salvador’s prisons.

  • Context: Bukele offered to "outsource" part of the U.S. prison system by housing American citizens convicted of crimes in El Salvador’s mega-prison (CECOT) for a fee. President Trump expressed enthusiasm for this idea, stating on February 4, 2025, he’d do it "in a heartbeat" if legal. However, legal experts universally agree that deporting U.S. citizens is unconstitutional.
  • Potential Violation: Deporting U.S. citizens, even convicted criminals, would violate the Fourteenth Amendment, as citizenship cannot be revoked except in rare cases (e.g., treason or fraud in naturalization), and even then, only through a judicial process. Transferring citizens to serve sentences abroad without their consent would also likely infringe on their constitutional rights to remain in the U.S. While this specific proposal wasn’t implemented in the March 2025 deportations, it highlights a broader constitutional tension in the policy discussions.

3. Eighth Amendment (Cruel and Unusual Punishment)

The Eighth Amendment prohibits "cruel and unusual punishments." Sending individuals—citizens or non-citizens—to El Salvador’s CECOT mega-prison, known for harsh conditions, could raise concerns under this provision.

  • Context: CECOT is a maximum-security facility where inmates face severe conditions: no visitation, limited access to sunlight, overcrowding, and reports of torture and abuse (e.g., Amnesty International documented systematic mistreatment in 2023). The U.S. State Department has described El Salvador’s prisons as "harsh and dangerous." Deportees sent there in March 2025 were immediately subjected to head-shaving, shackling, and confinement in windowless cells.
  • Potential Violation: If the U.S. knowingly sent individuals to a facility where they faced inhumane treatment, this could be argued as a violation of the Eighth Amendment, particularly if applied to U.S. citizens or legal residents. For non-citizens, while Eighth Amendment protections are less clear post-deportation, international treaties like the Convention Against Torture (ratified by the U.S.) prohibit transferring anyone to a place where they risk torture, potentially implicating constitutional due process as well.

4. Separation of Powers and Judicial Authority

The Constitution establishes a system of checks and balances, including judicial oversight of executive actions. Ignoring a federal court order could undermine this principle.

  • Context: Judge Boasberg’s March 15 order explicitly barred deportations under the Alien Enemies Act and directed flights in progress to return. Flight records and Bukele’s social media posts suggest at least one flight landed in El Salvador after the order was issued (e.g., a GlobalX flight arrived late Saturday night, post-7:25 p.m. ET ruling). The White House denied violating the order, claiming some deportations occurred beforehand, but the timing remains contested.
  • Potential Violation: If the administration knowingly defied the court, it could be seen as an executive overreach, challenging the judiciary’s constitutional role. Legal scholars like Stephen Gillers have warned this could push the nation toward a "constitutional crisis" if the executive branch acts with "impunity" against judicial rulings.

Counterarguments and Administration Position

The Trump administration defends these actions by asserting broad presidential authority over immigration and national security. They argue:

  • The Alien Enemies Act legally empowers the president to act swiftly against perceived threats like the Tren de Aragua gang, designated a "foreign terrorist organization" in January 2025.
  • White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt claimed courts lack jurisdiction over the president’s power to "repel a declared invasion," framing the deportations as a wartime necessity rather than a standard immigration matter.
  • For non-citizens, constitutional protections are narrower, especially for those illegally present or deemed security risks.

However, critics counter that the act’s wartime context doesn’t apply to criminal gangs, and bypassing due process or judicial orders exceeds constitutional limits.

Conclusion

Deporting criminals to El Salvador may violate the Constitution if it involves: (1) denying due process to non-citizens by deporting them without hearings, (2) attempting to deport U.S. citizens, (3) subjecting individuals to cruel and unusual punishment via transfer to inhumane conditions, or (4) disregarding judicial authority. The March 2025 deportations of alleged Venezuelan gang members highlight due process and separation-of-powers issues, while the broader proposal to send U.S. citizens abroad clearly clashes with citizenship protections. Legal challenges, including from the ACLU, are ongoing, and the matter may ultimately reach the Supreme Court to determine constitutionality. For now, no final ruling confirms a violation, but the actions have sparked significant constitutional debate.

 

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This is what chatgpt says about "how did recent deporting unconvicted criminals to el salvador violate the constitution"

 

The deportation of unconvicted individuals to El Salvador could violate the U.S. Constitution in several ways, particularly under the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments. Here’s how:

1. Violation of Due Process (Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments)
The Fifth Amendment guarantees due process rights, meaning individuals must have fair legal procedures before the government takes action against them.
If the U.S. deported individuals without a trial, conviction, or proper legal hearings, it would deny them their right to due process.
The Fourteenth Amendment extends these protections to all individuals within U.S. jurisdiction, regardless of immigration status.
2. Presumption of Innocence (Fundamental Legal Principle)
The U.S. legal system operates under the principle that individuals are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Deporting people before they are convicted undermines this principle and effectively punishes them without a trial.
This could be seen as a violation of constitutional protections against arbitrary punishment.
3. Cruel and Unusual Punishment (Eighth Amendment)
If deportation to El Salvador exposes individuals to torture, persecution, or death due to gang violence, political retaliation, or government abuse, it could be seen as cruel and unusual punishment.
Courts have ruled that deportation is not typically considered punishment, but if it leads to serious harm, constitutional challenges can arise.
4. Violation of Non-Refoulement (International and Constitutional Law)
The U.S. is bound by international treaties that prohibit sending individuals to countries where they face a high risk of persecution or violence.
Courts have sometimes interpreted the Fifth Amendment’s due process protections to include these obligations, meaning deporting someone to face certain harm could be unconstitutional.
5. Equal Protection Clause (Fourteenth Amendment)
If deportations disproportionately target specific racial, ethnic, or social groups, they could violate the Equal Protection Clause.
Evidence of racial profiling or selective enforcement could make these deportations unconstitutional.
Potential Legal Challenges
Immigration advocates and civil rights groups have already challenged similar deportations in court.
If individuals were deported before having a fair chance to defend themselves, courts could rule these deportations unconstitutional.
Would you like information on a specific case or government policy related to this issue?

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stokkebye's picture

The judicial branch can check and balance powers afterwards. Enacting the alien enemies act or declaring war is not to be judicated while it is happening, otherwise the judicial branch might as well be the executive branch, which is what they are encroaching upon. Our constitution is set up to allow swift actions to be made in such times as war or safety and security. The judicial branch cannot dictate how the president decides he gets shit done, that is how the constitution is set up. Fuck your ai bs. Next...

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" The judicial branch cannot dictate how the president decides he gets shit done"

 

Sure, as long as he isn't breaking the law.  Or what do you think, is Trump above that law? 

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"The judicial branch cannot dictate how the president decides he gets shit done"

Well of course that is EXACTLY what they are there fore, otherwise we have a dictatorship.

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Really...so...in a war you are saying a judge can dictate when and where troops will be deployed and how missions are carried out? Fucking dumbass. 

Trump enacted the AEA, like it or not, it is similar as decalring war. Like it or not, Trump, the president, the executor, gets to decide when and how missions are carried out...that judge tried to inject himself into a mission, demanding planes turn around and stop. Imagine a judge telling a battleship to turn around becuase they are getting to close to japanese island during wwii? Fuck no. The judge has no say in this shit. And that is why his dumbass has articles of impeachment against him. 

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Which war are you talking about? He war on Teslas? lol 

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Ummm...10 to 30 million people crossing the mexican border illegally, sounds like an invasion to me. And yeah, terroristic acts against tesla will make most people look away at keeping Trump in check. Fuck around and find out. 

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Sounds like a problem with border control. Visit Ukraine to see what war is. 

Even if Trump tries to strech the truth and sell it as such, you can still think for yourself.

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Well you can clearly see that the little thinking ability he once may have had is completely maganised now. Poor sod. 

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