...for the ridiculous military forces Kyiv has shoved into Artemovsk (Bakhmut)
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Dude (Old Spike)
Hmm why are the prisoners in civillian clothing?
These are just ppl from the street, on a roof.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
I said well over a month ago they need to tactical retreat if they hope to survive. Now the victor is being gracious and following Tsun Zhu's rules on encirclement. Always leave a path for your opponent to escape.
It's time for the welfare queen to let his troops come home.
They have either been field stripped as Pow's or poor supply left them with nothing to fight with.
Russia has performed a double cauldron upon Bakhmut. Just like they did to the German's in Stalingrad. That front's over.
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Dude (Old Spike)
what? seen the news yesterday? they are still fighting and not surrounded actually they are gaining ground the entire back end of the city is now held by Ukrainian forces. they are clearing the perimeter around the city next and advance from there i guess.
Sadly hundreds of dead on both sides.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Won't last long. (Assuming that is even correct. I haven't checked the past few days.)
Even if Ukraine managed to wipe out the remaining invasion force. (They won't, and by Invasion force I mean every man Russia has deployed in the war so far.) There is 500'000 + Russian reserves ready to go. Ukraine doesn't have that many in their armed forces.
In terms of numbers, Ukrainian casualties hurt a lot more than Russian ones. And over the course of the war Ukrainians have lost an estimated 3-4 to every 1 Russian. Pretty grim.
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Dude (Old Spike)
Ukrainian men are drafted or in training, not allowed to leave the country.
And i seriously doubt the number 3 or 4 to 1 you just pulled out your ass, what is it 3 or 4?, what is the source of that percentage?
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
The numbers range wildly depending which reports you read. There is no simple answer to that right now.
Drafting more than once does more harm than good. It brings morale down every time you do it because the second or heaven forbid third time tells not only the recruits, but also the civilization you are drawing these men from the fate of the others before them, which reflects on the Generals.
Russia did one major drive to get to 500'000 reserves so far. They also have a larger population base to draw from.
That should be enough for the current theater as it stands. But, if the war expands, they can actually preemptively do another great drive with a mitigation to the morale penalty because the theater grew larger, not because of losses.
It's all about conditions.
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Dude (Old Spike)
what is the source of that percentage?
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Check out the Duran to stay up to date. They do at least an hour every day where they discuss, the war, tactics, global geo politics, economics, stats, troop numbers, logistics, NATO perspective (With their sources,) Russia perspective (With their sources) and more.
Dan also posts some secondary sources that I check in on from time to time as well, which so far have been better predictors of military outcomes than any msm source out there. Which honestly isn't difficult considering when msm hasn't been outright lying or propagandizing, have instead been omitting, cherry picking, or avoiding what's actually important in favor of what's petty and of no decisive long term consequence.
If you're going to be a serious student of warfare do not disregard anything, Never listen to what people say, watch ONLY what they do.
If want to understand how a military strategy is going to work there are many books out there, but if you only have time for one read the art of war.
The more rules you follow in that text, the more you win. The more rules you break in that text, the more you lose.
If you want to understand how Russia fights, you should look at World war II and the pivotal point of the Napoleonic Wars.
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Dude (Old Spike)
so the source of the percentage is a streamer.. thank you..
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
So far they have been right and the news has been wrong. Pearl clutch your precious sources as much as you like.
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Dude (Old Spike)
Like this one? and i don't know the numbers so i don't try to school anyone what the numbers are, does that make sense, you source is payed off propaganda, i can tell you that.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Regionally Bakhmut has been encircled 6 months. They have just been closing the circle cautiously and chewing up units thrown in.
It's attrition and maneuver warfare. That's the slowest form in the kinetic aspect.
The point of it is not to seize land for it's own sake. It's to slowly wear down supplies, food, and men so that by the time it's done your opponent has no capacity to fight even if they wanted too with all of their desire. Once worn down to a point it will simply be an impossibility with no supplies and no soldiers left.
I've said it before, NATO is expending more munitions than they can replace, and no adequate upgrades to production are being made.
If you expect everything to happen overnight you are going to be more disappointed on top of the Profound disappointment you will feel when the war is over and you realize it was all a waste that left EU crippled, economy tanked, and you forced into a new digital currency system that will make you a slave in body as well as mind.
Major banks are already failing in the U.S. (First of many)
This is happening.
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Dude (Old Spike)
Are you fighting there? how the hell would you know that? Just stop claiming you know.
Bank failures can come from various causes: fraud, bad lending or a mis-match of assets and liabilities. It appears that asset-liability mismatch was behind the bank's problems.
In finance, an asset–liability mismatch occurs when the financial terms of an institution's assets and liabilities do not correspond. Several types of mismatches are possible.
For example, a bank that chose to borrow entirely in US dollars and lend in Russian rubles would have a significant currency mismatch: if the value of the ruble were to fall dramatically, the bank would lose money. In extreme cases, such movements in the value of the assets and liabilities could lead to bankruptcy, liquidity problems and wealth transfer.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Sure, collapses can happen for all kinds of reasons, But everything is happening right now and for the foreseeable future for only one reason. Our enslavement and ruination.
I've been saying for years collapse is coming. It doesn't matter how or why it happens, the only two things that matter is that they are engineered, and that it is definitely happening.
There are no more coincidences.
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danman (Site Administrator)
@Dude
> "you source is payed off propaganda, i can tell you that"
you can say that but you have precisely zero evidence & it's an irrational assumption to make so it's not a great reflection on you, ngl
Those video thumbs are fine btw. Bakhmut has been a meat grinder for the Ukrainians for months. Refusing to abandon it has been an exercise in information warfare & futility. NATO's proxy army in Ukraine is throwing old men & boys with as little as 3 days of military training up against overwhelming Russian artillery.
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n0val33t (Old Spike)
This doesn't look good at all, I thought they pulled out! Then again last time the Ukranians made a "mistake" it was a a strategy, i doubt this will work the same =/ Hope so...but unlikely.
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(Old Spike)
Hmm why are the prisoners in civillian clothing?
These are just ppl from the street, on a roof.
(Old Spike)
I said well over a month ago they need to tactical retreat if they hope to survive. Now the victor is being gracious and following Tsun Zhu's rules on encirclement. Always leave a path for your opponent to escape.
It's time for the welfare queen to let his troops come home.
They have either been field stripped as Pow's or poor supply left them with nothing to fight with.
Russia has performed a double cauldron upon Bakhmut. Just like they did to the German's in Stalingrad. That front's over.
(Old Spike)
what? seen the news yesterday? they are still fighting and not surrounded actually they are gaining ground the entire back end of the city is now held by Ukrainian forces. they are clearing the perimeter around the city next and advance from there i guess.
Sadly hundreds of dead on both sides.
(Old Spike)
Won't last long. (Assuming that is even correct. I haven't checked the past few days.)
Even if Ukraine managed to wipe out the remaining invasion force. (They won't, and by Invasion force I mean every man Russia has deployed in the war so far.) There is 500'000 + Russian reserves ready to go. Ukraine doesn't have that many in their armed forces.
In terms of numbers, Ukrainian casualties hurt a lot more than Russian ones. And over the course of the war Ukrainians have lost an estimated 3-4 to every 1 Russian. Pretty grim.
(Old Spike)
Ukrainian men are drafted or in training, not allowed to leave the country.
And i seriously doubt the number 3 or 4 to 1 you just pulled out your ass, what is it 3 or 4?, what is the source of that percentage?
(Old Spike)
The numbers range wildly depending which reports you read. There is no simple answer to that right now.
Drafting more than once does more harm than good. It brings morale down every time you do it because the second or heaven forbid third time tells not only the recruits, but also the civilization you are drawing these men from the fate of the others before them, which reflects on the Generals.
Russia did one major drive to get to 500'000 reserves so far. They also have a larger population base to draw from.
That should be enough for the current theater as it stands. But, if the war expands, they can actually preemptively do another great drive with a mitigation to the morale penalty because the theater grew larger, not because of losses.
It's all about conditions.
(Old Spike)
what is the source of that percentage?
(Old Spike)
Check out the Duran to stay up to date. They do at least an hour every day where they discuss, the war, tactics, global geo politics, economics, stats, troop numbers, logistics, NATO perspective (With their sources,) Russia perspective (With their sources) and more.
Dan also posts some secondary sources that I check in on from time to time as well, which so far have been better predictors of military outcomes than any msm source out there. Which honestly isn't difficult considering when msm hasn't been outright lying or propagandizing, have instead been omitting, cherry picking, or avoiding what's actually important in favor of what's petty and of no decisive long term consequence.
If you're going to be a serious student of warfare do not disregard anything, Never listen to what people say, watch ONLY what they do.
If want to understand how a military strategy is going to work there are many books out there, but if you only have time for one read the art of war.
The more rules you follow in that text, the more you win. The more rules you break in that text, the more you lose.
If you want to understand how Russia fights, you should look at World war II and the pivotal point of the Napoleonic Wars.
(Old Spike)
so the source of the percentage is a streamer.. thank you..
(Old Spike)
So far they have been right and the news has been wrong. Pearl clutch your precious sources as much as you like.
(Old Spike)
Like this one? and i don't know the numbers so i don't try to school anyone what the numbers are, does that make sense, you source is payed off propaganda, i can tell you that.
(Old Spike)
Regionally Bakhmut has been encircled 6 months. They have just been closing the circle cautiously and chewing up units thrown in.
It's attrition and maneuver warfare. That's the slowest form in the kinetic aspect.
The point of it is not to seize land for it's own sake. It's to slowly wear down supplies, food, and men so that by the time it's done your opponent has no capacity to fight even if they wanted too with all of their desire. Once worn down to a point it will simply be an impossibility with no supplies and no soldiers left.
I've said it before, NATO is expending more munitions than they can replace, and no adequate upgrades to production are being made.
If you expect everything to happen overnight you are going to be more disappointed on top of the Profound disappointment you will feel when the war is over and you realize it was all a waste that left EU crippled, economy tanked, and you forced into a new digital currency system that will make you a slave in body as well as mind.
Major banks are already failing in the U.S. (First of many)
This is happening.
(Old Spike)
Are you fighting there? how the hell would you know that? Just stop claiming you know.
Bank failures can come from various causes: fraud, bad lending or a mis-match of assets and liabilities. It appears that asset-liability mismatch was behind the bank's problems.
In finance, an asset–liability mismatch occurs when the financial terms of an institution's assets and liabilities do not correspond. Several types of mismatches are possible.
For example, a bank that chose to borrow entirely in US dollars and lend in Russian rubles would have a significant currency mismatch: if the value of the ruble were to fall dramatically, the bank would lose money. In extreme cases, such movements in the value of the assets and liabilities could lead to bankruptcy, liquidity problems and wealth transfer.
(Old Spike)
Sure, collapses can happen for all kinds of reasons, But everything is happening right now and for the foreseeable future for only one reason. Our enslavement and ruination.
I've been saying for years collapse is coming. It doesn't matter how or why it happens, the only two things that matter is that they are engineered, and that it is definitely happening.
There are no more coincidences.
(Site Administrator)
@Dude
> "you source is payed off propaganda, i can tell you that"
you can say that but you have precisely zero evidence & it's an irrational assumption to make so it's not a great reflection on you, ngl
Those video thumbs are fine btw. Bakhmut has been a meat grinder for the Ukrainians for months. Refusing to abandon it has been an exercise in information warfare & futility. NATO's proxy army in Ukraine is throwing old men & boys with as little as 3 days of military training up against overwhelming Russian artillery.
(Old Spike)
This doesn't look good at all, I thought they pulled out! Then again last time the Ukranians made a "mistake" it was a a strategy, i doubt this will work the same =/ Hope so...but unlikely.
BTW is he blasted or what?!
(Old Spike)
They aren't even trying anymore.