CNN is likely interviewing al Nusra (al Qaeda) families...
al Nusra "rebels" & their families were bussed out of Douma to Northern Syria (link)
The clothing the women are wearing are fundamentalist Islamic garb
The first woman is saying that there were chemical strikes (debunked by medical staff at the hospital)
1:27 - The only male of fighting age doesn't want to be identified
2:14 - The woman's husband is dead
2:45 - The old woman's son is dead
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Beseeched1 (Long Spike)
Another video of forced laughter and dimwitted comments. They could have at least done some research and found that Sarin is odorless; checked Sarin's half-life as a substance.
Fisk is a joke. This idiot goes to Douma with the permission of Russian troops and summarizes in this article that is was the wind that did it. Cynical piece of shit.
Russia fully controls Douma.
Russia says Douma is too dangerous for the OPCW to enter it. -
Russia brought its mouthpiece Robert Fisk into Douma to “investigate the attack”. -
Fisk “found evidence the alleged attack was a false flag” operation.
Then idiots like Jimmy Dore regurgitate all of this crap and present it to their audience.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
Russia says Douma is too dangerous for the OPCW to enter it
Not true - The team has visited Douma (link). There was a delay due to security issues but it was the UN security team that blocked the OPCW guys entering the town.
Russia brought its mouthpiece Robert Fisk into Douma to “investigate the attack”
Not true - there is no evidence that Fisk is a Russian mouthpiece, or that he was brought to Douma by the Russians, he describes his investigation in the article you linked:
I walked across this town quite freely yesterday without soldier, policeman or minder to haunt my footsteps, just two Syrian friends, a camera and a notebook.
Fisk “found evidence the alleged attack was a false flag” operation.
That's Jimmy's words, not Fisk's and it rings true when you consider what the doctor told Fisk in the interview in the article you linked:
Yes, the video was filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not gas poisoning.
Fisk is a joke.
This is your opinion. He's a renowned journalist with decades of experience in the Middle East.
If you are in full control of a city, you are its security. In this OPCW report it is clear that there were "pending security issues" as stated by the russians. "Russian officials who participated in the preparatory meetings in Damascus have informed the FFM Team that there were still pending security issues to be worked out before any deployment could take place." It's pretty obvious, that they delayed their entry. I wonder why.
Fisk concludes in his article that it was the wind. That's pretty cynical, if you ask me. He has done nothing more, but white wash all the crimes commited by the murderous authoritarian duo.
Attacks on Syria. It has been a "strategy of war" to bomb hospitals. International organizations seem to have a unified voice towards Syria.
Freedom of press is extremely low in Syria and quite bad in Russia on certain topics.
The "Attacks on Syria" article you linked is from a US-based NGO funded by George Soros. The map is pretty but provably false.
The critique of fisk in the "white wash" article you linked is similarly laughable. First of all, it's on a crappy blog based in Sydney. The author is basically a SJW who hates Assad. His articles remind me of the way you talk... anything that goes against the narrative of Assad being evil is illegitemate. Even Al Jazeera has a clause on his articles "The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial stance."
Seems legit.
Update - it's a good question, what made the Russians advise the UN team that there were "still pending security issues". I've not seen an answer to this.
The article on white-washer Fisk has sources, which it uses as proof of what is written. You are free to click on them. It is written based on those sources, which are diverse and multi-voiced, and not an actress scratching at stickers as proof of the gullibility of some people or a well-known Kremlin propagandist's interview with a child in Syria.
Syria (177 out of 180) and Russia (148 out of 180) are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to freedom of press. I'd say "bad on certain topics" is a great understatement of Russian press freedom. They have been and still are lying through their teeth about every single one of the conflicts they've been in.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
"sources, which it uses as proof of what is written"
Just because an article has links, it doesn't make it, or the message it's conveying legit. It's an opinion piece, which is fine, but does not prove anything. You may argue that it proves Fisk is biased, but then you'd be taking the side of that "journalist" over that of Robert Fisk when it comes to jouranlistic integrity. Is that what you're willing to do?
I see that this is the article from where you got the "Attacks on Syria" link from. Kind lazy on your part but whatever. That map is illegitemate...
Eg. The Al Kindi Hospital in Alleppois shown on the map as being attacked by "government forces". The below video is the attack. Does that look like "government forces" to you?
Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) is based in NYC with offices in Washington & Boston. It has no people on the ground in Syria.
It is an activist group that has advocated for tougher sanctions on the Syrian government. Sanctions have been proven to hurt civlian populations before anything else. So much for "human rights".
From their staff profiles, it appears all of their information is gathered by Brooke Sauro http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/about/people/staff/brooke-sauro.html
The information gathering method is stated as: "A variety of sources were reviewed, including but not limited to: United Nations, governmental, news agency, and nongovernmental organization (NGO) reports; journal articles; dissertations; social media and video sites; blogs; TV news footage; and reports produced inside Syria from the government or non-state armed groups." ... does this look like serious research to you?
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Beseeched1 (Long Spike)
It uses Fisk's own written articles and outside sources to prove the point that Fisk is nowhere near a competent journalist, but a trashcan mouthpiece of a murderous dictator. It is much more concise than anything Fisk has written about Syria. He has come out in all instances in defence of Assad and Putin in Syria. I'd say he is heading to a tribunal after all this is over. A man can dream.
That video of yours is neat, but I am not sure what it proves. The map legend does not say Al-Kindi was attacked by government sources. It does however write that it was turned into barracks by the government forces around 2012 and then kept changing hands until it was destroyed at the time this video was taken.
It portrays only one of numerous attacks on medical facilities - 446 attacks were committed by Syrian government and allied forces (312 by Syrian government forces, 16 by Russian forces, 118 by either Russian or Syrian government forces), 30 by non-state armed groups (20 by opposition forces, eight by IS forces, and two by IS and opposition forces together), one by international coalition forces, 15 by unknown forces.
Did you read their methodology of this data set on attacks on medical facilities in Syria? Give it a look and you will see not only how they checked the data they gathered, but also what their sources were, where they got their financing from, etc. Not as legit as fringe bloggers, actresses and mouthpieces of the dictator, but still. Worth a shot.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
I read most of the methodology. I quoted it in my previous comment. They basically grabbed anything & everything and anything that was corroborated by anything else was entered into their data. I've shown multiple reasons why this research is flawed. The person running it is not even trained in research. It runs under the banner "Physicians for Human Rights" but there are no physicians involved. The person running the map research is trained in politics.
The statistics from that source mean nothing as I've demonstrated in my previous comment (PHR engages in anti-Assad activism at the expense of human rights, it's funded by George Soros, etc).
If you knew anything about George Soros' history with NGOs you would have given up when I mentioned his name but you're pretty stubborn so maybe not.
al-Kindi was hit by 2 truck bombs. Here's another video of the bombing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFX-dWO8pWA
Here's the BBC reporting: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-25479725
Rebels in the Syrian city of Aleppo have set off a massive suicide lorry bomb to seize back a strategic ruined hospital occupied by Assad loyalists.
A huge fireball engulfed the al-Kindi Hospital, the blast bringing down the central section of the disused building, in Friday's daylight attack.
The map legend does not say Al-Kindi was attacked by government sources.
- My bad. The map says it was destroyed by "Attack by Russian Forces"
- This is still wrong though. It was clearly destroyed by truck bombs.
- Screenshot proving that map is BS is below (click to enlarge)
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Beseeched1 (Long Spike)
Yeah, guess their methodology is not as great as an actress scratching at stickers. Got me.
The PHR team also sought information about attacks from medical organizations and medical personnel working inside Syria, and frequently relied upon these field sources to corroborate, correct, or supply additional information on particular attacks or facilities. Due to security reasons, PHR will not identify the field sources and refers to them as “medical field sources.”
(((SOROS)))
Doesn't say anywhere that it was destroyed by the attack by Russian forces. Give it another look and try reading.
PHR is mapping attacks on medical facilities1 that were used for medical purposes at the time of attack, and therefore protected under IHL. Medical facilities used solely for military (non-medical) purposes at the time of the attack have not been mapped as incidents.
I usually check my "Recent Posts" on SpikedNation.com about 12-18 times a night...and I gotta say that both of you guys are very meticulous in how many times you edit your posts. It's like a journey.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
The map says it was destroyed by "Attack by Russian Forces"
Look at the arrows in the graphic I made for you. The text in the box on the left is redundant except for location & date.
Don't feel bad about being duped by that source though. Even NYT references it.
I don't know how you're relating any of this to conspiracy theory. Seems like a way too put your fingers in your ears and shout "I'm not listening" but whatever. You need to seek out real journalism if you want to know what's going on in the Middle East.
"Attack by Russia forces" during the time it was functioning as a medical facility. I think it's great that you stuck to the one thing out of the map, which you simply misunderstood or failed to understand. To be expected from the likes.
The bolivian actress scratching at stickers was so hard-hitting, that I am still recovering from her integrity, independence and investigational skills.
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(Old Spike)
Original video:
CNN is likely interviewing al Nusra (al Qaeda) families...
(Long Spike)
Another video of forced laughter and dimwitted comments. They could have at least done some research and found that Sarin is odorless; checked Sarin's half-life as a substance.
Fisk is a joke. This idiot goes to Douma with the permission of Russian troops and summarizes in this article that is was the wind that did it. Cynical piece of shit.
Then idiots like Jimmy Dore regurgitate all of this crap and present it to their audience.
(Old Spike)
Fisk is a joke.
This is your opinion. He's a renowned journalist with decades of experience in the Middle East.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk#Awards_and_honours
(Long Spike)
If you are in full control of a city, you are its security. In this OPCW report it is clear that there were "pending security issues" as stated by the russians. "Russian officials who participated in the preparatory meetings in Damascus have informed the FFM Team that there were still pending security issues to be worked out before any deployment could take place." It's pretty obvious, that they delayed their entry. I wonder why.
Fisk concludes in his article that it was the wind. That's pretty cynical, if you ask me. He has done nothing more, but white wash all the crimes commited by the murderous authoritarian duo.
Attacks on Syria. It has been a "strategy of war" to bomb hospitals. International organizations seem to have a unified voice towards Syria.
Just for reference sake, the freedom of press index.
(Old Spike)
Freedom of press is extremely low in Syria and quite bad in Russia on certain topics.
The "Attacks on Syria" article you linked is from a US-based NGO funded by George Soros. The map is pretty but provably false.
The critique of fisk in the "white wash" article you linked is similarly laughable. First of all, it's on a crappy blog based in Sydney. The author is basically a SJW who hates Assad. His articles remind me of the way you talk... anything that goes against the narrative of Assad being evil is illegitemate. Even Al Jazeera has a clause on his articles "The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial stance."
Seems legit.
Update - it's a good question, what made the Russians advise the UN team that there were "still pending security issues". I've not seen an answer to this.
(Long Spike)
(((SOROS)))
The article on white-washer Fisk has sources, which it uses as proof of what is written. You are free to click on them. It is written based on those sources, which are diverse and multi-voiced, and not an actress scratching at stickers as proof of the gullibility of some people or a well-known Kremlin propagandist's interview with a child in Syria.
Syria (177 out of 180) and Russia (148 out of 180) are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to freedom of press. I'd say "bad on certain topics" is a great understatement of Russian press freedom. They have been and still are lying through their teeth about every single one of the conflicts they've been in.
(Old Spike)
"sources, which it uses as proof of what is written"
Just because an article has links, it doesn't make it, or the message it's conveying legit. It's an opinion piece, which is fine, but does not prove anything. You may argue that it proves Fisk is biased, but then you'd be taking the side of that "journalist" over that of Robert Fisk when it comes to jouranlistic integrity. Is that what you're willing to do?
I see that this is the article from where you got the "Attacks on Syria" link from. Kind lazy on your part but whatever. That map is illegitemate...
Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) is based in NYC with offices in Washington & Boston. It has no people on the ground in Syria.
(Long Spike)
It uses Fisk's own written articles and outside sources to prove the point that Fisk is nowhere near a competent journalist, but a trashcan mouthpiece of a murderous dictator. It is much more concise than anything Fisk has written about Syria. He has come out in all instances in defence of Assad and Putin in Syria. I'd say he is heading to a tribunal after all this is over. A man can dream.
That video of yours is neat, but I am not sure what it proves. The map legend does not say Al-Kindi was attacked by government sources. It does however write that it was turned into barracks by the government forces around 2012 and then kept changing hands until it was destroyed at the time this video was taken.
It portrays only one of numerous attacks on medical facilities - 446 attacks were committed by Syrian government and allied forces (312 by Syrian government forces, 16 by Russian forces, 118 by either Russian or Syrian government forces), 30 by non-state armed groups (20 by opposition forces, eight by IS forces, and two by IS and opposition forces together), one by international coalition forces, 15 by unknown forces.
Did you read their methodology of this data set on attacks on medical facilities in Syria? Give it a look and you will see not only how they checked the data they gathered, but also what their sources were, where they got their financing from, etc. Not as legit as fringe bloggers, actresses and mouthpieces of the dictator, but still. Worth a shot.
(Old Spike)
I read most of the methodology. I quoted it in my previous comment. They basically grabbed anything & everything and anything that was corroborated by anything else was entered into their data. I've shown multiple reasons why this research is flawed. The person running it is not even trained in research. It runs under the banner "Physicians for Human Rights" but there are no physicians involved. The person running the map research is trained in politics.
The statistics from that source mean nothing as I've demonstrated in my previous comment (PHR engages in anti-Assad activism at the expense of human rights, it's funded by George Soros, etc).
If you knew anything about George Soros' history with NGOs you would have given up when I mentioned his name but you're pretty stubborn so maybe not.
al-Kindi was hit by 2 truck bombs. Here's another video of the bombing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFX-dWO8pWA
Here's the BBC reporting: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-25479725
The map legend does not say Al-Kindi was attacked by government sources.
- My bad. The map says it was destroyed by "Attack by Russian Forces"
- This is still wrong though. It was clearly destroyed by truck bombs.
- Screenshot proving that map is BS is below (click to enlarge)
(Long Spike)
Yeah, guess their methodology is not as great as an actress scratching at stickers. Got me.
(((SOROS)))
Doesn't say anywhere that it was destroyed by the attack by Russian forces. Give it another look and try reading.
A parting gift for you, enjoy!
(Long Spike)
I usually check my "Recent Posts" on SpikedNation.com about 12-18 times a night...and I gotta say that both of you guys are very meticulous in how many times you edit your posts. It's like a journey.
(Old Spike)
The map says it was destroyed by "Attack by Russian Forces"
Look at the arrows in the graphic I made for you. The text in the box on the left is redundant except for location & date.
Don't feel bad about being duped by that source though. Even NYT references it.
I don't know how you're relating any of this to conspiracy theory. Seems like a way too put your fingers in your ears and shout "I'm not listening" but whatever. You need to seek out real journalism if you want to know what's going on in the Middle East.
My gift to you: Patrick Cockburn, Seymour Hersh, Gareth Porter
(Long Spike)
"Attack by Russia forces" during the time it was functioning as a medical facility. I think it's great that you stuck to the one thing out of the map, which you simply misunderstood or failed to understand. To be expected from the likes.
The bolivian actress scratching at stickers was so hard-hitting, that I am still recovering from her integrity, independence and investigational skills.