i like it but jaguar always makes their cars worse than competing models, but still sticks to the same price of the much better options.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
Apart from the fact that I would not buy a new car i have to agree the bad quality and reliability feel sticks with british brands like range rover and jaguar so only a win in the lottery would justify for me buying this (or a tesla)
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GKhan (Old Spike)
The comparison to model X bugs me. This guys summary is based on published data, not real data and he's picking and choosing what to compare to. The actual range less than published and as for off the line performance, has he seen the ludicrous mode in the model X?
Yes it's the 100KW performance version here but actually times of the regular model X are faster than what Tesla publishes. In fact Tesla is typically conservative for a lot of their published #s.
Some other iPace analysis:
https://insideevs.com/driving-style-jaguar-i-pace-range/
Not that I agree with everything these guys are writing but you get the points.
With that said, I do like the i-Pace and given a few years of battery tech maturity I could be interested. I figure a lot of these guys need to get some years of prolonging battery life under their belt first though.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
He reviewed the model X. Idiot mode is not the criteria for these cars (although as a petrol head I would way too often use it). Probably most teslas that compete are modified too.
Make sure to watch past the 2 minute mark (or skip to 11:13 before watching the video if you are a real tesla fanboy and can't take any sort of criticism about your fetish):
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GKhan (Old Spike)
Yes, I've seen that video. Not sure your point, I still beleive his points raised in the first video for comparison were 1) missleading and 2) not that relavant. I'm still surprised that a lot of the these asessements fail to focus on the battery life which is the most significant cost of the vehicle and really hard to get right. Car companies are rolling first gen BEVs off the assembly line and they're being considered equivalent or better than a car that has proven history.
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daftcunt (Old Spike)
All teslas are prototypes (still) there is no real proven history. There are plenty of real world reports from people having problems with their teslas.
With a new car coming out there is no other way than comparing "paper" figures.
In any case, whoever takes their tesla or Jag or any electric vehicle on 2000 miles trips has misunderstood what they are intended for, so give or take 20 or 30 miles on the paper value is not the issue here. This is the reason, btw, why I don't have an electric minivan. They are made for city deliveries so the range is 150-170km on a good day with no extra battery waste, I would need real world 250km to be "safe", and if you want the 5 seater version they are way overpriced.
In the next few years I think the new Jaguar will probably be more reliable than the first gen teslas (and yes, they are still producing them and model 3 under a lot of time pressure now too) and those people buying them should be very aware of this and be praised for doing it anyway (quite a few of the fanboys expecting 100s of 1000s carefree miles will be disappointed, though, same with the Jag).
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GKhan (Old Spike)
The maturity of Tesla's battery management systems can be seen here:
And Ghosn dumped $5B into a dedicated Leaf plant years ago and they are still struggling to get the range sustainable. Though I am betting the 2018/2019s are likely going to do really well, they've come a long way.
All these legacy manufactures are great at producing cars but new to the BEV market and likely not investing enough into the battery side.
I agree in a few years these legacy car companies will improve a lot. Better than Tesla remains to be seen. Tesla is building their own batteries wtih Panasonic and also builds powerwalls for home and industry, so they are holding their battery tech to a pretty high bar and investing a lot in it. I am not sure if any other car manufacture is even involved in development of their batteries.
Anyway, if Jaguar can squeeze more range for less weight and longer battery life for less price than Tesla...then awesome. :)
As for the model 3, it's tech is based on the cumulation of years of S and X development, yes they are new but what is going to go wrong with them? Brakes? Electronics? Suspension? Batteries? Engine? Steering? That's the whole beauty of BEV, there is not much there to go wrong. Once you've figured out the batteries and engine everything else is mature tech, likely even sourced from the same partners as other manufactures.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
I prefer that over the Model X. Interior comfort and a regular-sized screen tips the scales.
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(Long Spike)
love the car despise the noisey pratt.
(Old Spike)
i like it but jaguar always makes their cars worse than competing models, but still sticks to the same price of the much better options.
(Old Spike)
Apart from the fact that I would not buy a new car i have to agree the bad quality and reliability feel sticks with british brands like range rover and jaguar so only a win in the lottery would justify for me buying this (or a tesla)
(Old Spike)
The comparison to model X bugs me. This guys summary is based on published data, not real data and he's picking and choosing what to compare to. The actual range less than published and as for off the line performance, has he seen the ludicrous mode in the model X?
Yes it's the 100KW performance version here but actually times of the regular model X are faster than what Tesla publishes. In fact Tesla is typically conservative for a lot of their published #s.
Some other iPace analysis:
https://insideevs.com/driving-style-jaguar-i-pace-range/
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119431_2019-jaguar-i-pace-gets-official-range-mpge-ratings
Not that I agree with everything these guys are writing but you get the points.
With that said, I do like the i-Pace and given a few years of battery tech maturity I could be interested. I figure a lot of these guys need to get some years of prolonging battery life under their belt first though.
(Old Spike)
He reviewed the model X. Idiot mode is not the criteria for these cars (although as a petrol head I would way too often use it). Probably most teslas that compete are modified too.
Make sure to watch past the 2 minute mark (or skip to 11:13 before watching the video if you are a real tesla fanboy and can't take any sort of criticism about your fetish):
(Old Spike)
Yes, I've seen that video. Not sure your point, I still beleive his points raised in the first video for comparison were 1) missleading and 2) not that relavant. I'm still surprised that a lot of the these asessements fail to focus on the battery life which is the most significant cost of the vehicle and really hard to get right. Car companies are rolling first gen BEVs off the assembly line and they're being considered equivalent or better than a car that has proven history.
(Old Spike)
All teslas are prototypes (still) there is no real proven history. There are plenty of real world reports from people having problems with their teslas.
With a new car coming out there is no other way than comparing "paper" figures.
In any case, whoever takes their tesla or Jag or any electric vehicle on 2000 miles trips has misunderstood what they are intended for, so give or take 20 or 30 miles on the paper value is not the issue here. This is the reason, btw, why I don't have an electric minivan. They are made for city deliveries so the range is 150-170km on a good day with no extra battery waste, I would need real world 250km to be "safe", and if you want the 5 seater version they are way overpriced.
In the next few years I think the new Jaguar will probably be more reliable than the first gen teslas (and yes, they are still producing them and model 3 under a lot of time pressure now too) and those people buying them should be very aware of this and be praised for doing it anyway (quite a few of the fanboys expecting 100s of 1000s carefree miles will be disappointed, though, same with the Jag).
(Old Spike)
The maturity of Tesla's battery management systems can be seen here:
https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-data/
Summary: @ 250,000km the Tesla will have about 93% capacity
Comparing to one of the other longest productions BEVs (the Nissan Leaf)
https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/nissan-leaf-battery-capacity-range
Summary: 90,000 km ~ 66%
And Ghosn dumped $5B into a dedicated Leaf plant years ago and they are still struggling to get the range sustainable. Though I am betting the 2018/2019s are likely going to do really well, they've come a long way.
All these legacy manufactures are great at producing cars but new to the BEV market and likely not investing enough into the battery side.
I agree in a few years these legacy car companies will improve a lot. Better than Tesla remains to be seen. Tesla is building their own batteries wtih Panasonic and also builds powerwalls for home and industry, so they are holding their battery tech to a pretty high bar and investing a lot in it. I am not sure if any other car manufacture is even involved in development of their batteries.
Anyway, if Jaguar can squeeze more range for less weight and longer battery life for less price than Tesla...then awesome. :)
As for the model 3, it's tech is based on the cumulation of years of S and X development, yes they are new but what is going to go wrong with them? Brakes? Electronics? Suspension? Batteries? Engine? Steering? That's the whole beauty of BEV, there is not much there to go wrong. Once you've figured out the batteries and engine everything else is mature tech, likely even sourced from the same partners as other manufactures.
(Old Spike)
I prefer that over the Model X. Interior comfort and a regular-sized screen tips the scales.