Quick history lesson about the British Empire's efforts to abolish the Atlantic slave trade.
Timeline:
1441 - Porteugese start slave trading in Africa on a small scale, other Europeans follow suit
1650 - Atlantic slave trade picks up, supplying Carribean & American plantations
1807 - Britain passes Abolition of the Slave Trade Act, outlawing British Atlantic slave trade
1833 - Slavery Abolition Act abolished slavery throughout the British Empire
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(Old Spike)
18:36 - "Between 1830 - 1865, approximately 1587 men died" freeing slaves.
During the American Civil war over 110,000 men died freeing slaves.
(Old Spike)
dan's comment disappeared while i was trying to reply to it. while the civil war was about constitutionality, that whole argument stemmed from slavery, as the slave states insisted that forcing them to abolish slavery was unconstitutional.
(Old Spike)
Sorry yeah I had it deleted, I've been arguing with FullAuto too much lately haha.
It depends how you look at it. Was it abolition or was it the breach of constitutional rights & soveriegnty that the Southern states objected to more strongly?
At least we agree that the North did not go to war to free any slaves.
It takes a lot of research to find out what the prime motivating factor for succession was because it's very political & a lot of sources are biased. I haven't put in the time to say either way yet. At a guess I'd say it was a power struggle about the economy & since slaves were part of that economy they are a factor.
(Old Spike)
that's what i mean, the "constitutional rights and sovereignty" problem WAS the slavery. the states said quite unambiguously that the reason they were suceeding was to protect their constitutional right to make their own rules from lincoln who wanted to tell them they couldn't have slaves. there was also the assumption that the south would receive aid from england because they'd want to protect their supply of cheap cotton.
(Old Spike)
lincoln who wanted to tell them they couldn't have slaves
I don't agree with this. Lincoln himself was not an abolitionist. He used the slavery issue for political & military purposes.
the "constitutional rights and sovereignty" problem WAS the slavery
Then why did they not just ratify the Corwin Amendment & keep their slaves?
- doesn't the rejection of this amendment prove they wanted to secede more than they wanted to keep slaves?
(Old Spike)
great points. lincoln absolutely was an abolitionist. though he was willing to allow states to keep the slaves they already had, he wanted an end to the slave trade, ie no more importing of slaves allowed. you can see it in the wording of the amendment that was rejected by the states for that reason - "domestic institutions", "persons held to labor or service by the laws of said state" - differentiating from international trade and people coming from abroad.
(Old Spike)
Then why did they not just ratify the Corwin Amendment & keep their slaves? - doesn't the rejection of this amendment prove they wanted to secede more than they wanted to keep slaves?
There is just one problem with your argument, it ignores this little thing called TIME. The Corwin Amendment was passed by the 36th Congress on March 2, 1861, and submitted to the state legislatures for ratification. If the 11 States that left the Union, SEVEN left before March 2, 1861. They didn't "reject the amendment". They did not consider themselves members of the Union and thus had no need to vote on the Amendment.
Look, I don't really care to debate the minutiae of the Civil War. Slavery was a blight carried over from the British that needed to be dealt with one way or another, turns out the people of that time decided on the historical practice of slaughtering each other for four years to determine who the winner would be.
The whole point I like to make is this. The identitarian SJWs of today love to pull this racist bullshit of falsely simplifying American Slavery to "all blacks were enslaved by all whites". Never mind that slavery ended because hundreds of thousands of whites went into battle and died to end it. Never mind that free blacks literally owned slaves and even ran plantations of their own. No, got to keep those identity politics going strong and that victim narrative alive, even though it's been over 150 fucking years ago and NOBODY born in the US alive today has ever been a slave.
Slavery still exists in 2018, the sad part is that the left is mute on the subject because the nations that allow it are Islamic and saying anything remotely bad about Islam is a big no-no in leftist land.
(Old Spike)
1835 - Britain abolishes slavery
2018 - Britain enslaves it's own citizens with draconian speech codes, gag orders and prison terms for speaking out about Islam.
I guess history has come full circle.
(Old Spike)
exactly. for all the BS invented by american social justice warriors, at least you haven't been stupid enough to put it into law.
edit: just in case it's not clear, that's not sarcasm i do completely agree with you on that point.
(Old Spike)
Thank you. I didn't down vote you by the way. Some people here just can't stand hearing the truth.
(Old Spike)
this guy is getting angry that google search algorithms aren't up to scratch. google takes your first 4 words to make most of its results.
"how did slavery start in africa" is as good as searching for "how did slavery start", and "how long has slavery existed in the world" is as good as searching for "how long has slavery".
just to illustrate i searched for "africa slavery start" and the first line it gives is "Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa, and still continues today in some countries."
on the details he's correct though, i mean who do people think the first white traders bought their slaves from? and who captured them for sale?"
(Old Spike)
Hey :(
This is not a free speech zone - if you want to comment then you gotta vote on the content ya bastards
(Old Spike)
thanks for the reminder. i always avoid liking or voting on anything because i don't believe knowledge should be judged on how many people approve, but here it's kind of important to site function so i've been trying to do it more. you know about old habits though.