Climate change, what did they not tell us?

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Grothesk's picture

How sad that FullAutoGal has to choke conservative Christian, anti-science cock down his throat every night.  It's shameful.

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Muchos Munchbagger's picture

Scummy. 

The actual true definition of a shill. Funny how these guys believe in a hell and expect to not end up there.

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sato's picture

i'm pretty completely convinced none of them believe in hell or any of all that, they just recognize how it's a convenient way to get millions of people to listen to you but not think about the veracity of what you're saying.

the truth will set you free! now here's all of that great truth you all need, i've written it down for you in this books.

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Grothesk's picture

There is lots and lots of argumentation to be had that Hell is a pagan belief, even by Christian standards and obviously by Hebrew standards.  Even assuming that one believes in the Judeo-Christian nonsense of Jesus being the Son of God and such the concept of Hell is very, very unstable.

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sato's picture

yeah but a lot of that pagan stuff is what christianity is based on anyway. the whole idea of hades is from greek mythology but it's talked about in the bible also.

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Grothesk's picture

It's adopted in the "late" books of the Bible, meaning stuff written around the time of Jesus which is *well* after Greek influence spread across the Mediterranean lands.  The Book of Job is considered to be the most ancient book of the Bible, maybe even predating Abraham's existence, but there is no "Satan" nor "Hell" in that book, but rather the literary device known as "The Adversary".  In that very ancient story, which predates human writing as Job is an oral-tradition book, The Adversary challenges God by stating that his most loyal subjects only worship him in times of prosperity but once rough times come they will curse God's name.  God stands up to the challenge and allows The Adversary to torment Job and kill Job's family. 

 

Specifically in Job 14:13, while Job is lamenting the death of his family and loss of his property, he cries out the following:  "If only you would hide me in the grave and conceal me till your anger has passed!  If only you would set me a time and then remember me!"  The term "the grave" here is specifically the term Sheol, which is the primitive idea that ancient Hebrews had of the after life; EVERY Hebrew who died would go to Sheol ("the grave") and await judgment from God and typically the terms "rest" and "sleep" are accompanied, as though the dead person had no consciousness.  There is absolutely no mention of torment or torture...and indeed Job is essentially begging God to be placed into Sheol because that would be better than facing his wrath.  So the most ancient Hebrews, who by the standard of Judaism and Christianity directly communed with God, did not believe in Hell, or the Greek term "Hades".  It only starts showing up in Greek texts after the Greeks invaded and settled south, specifically where the Hebrews resided.  So it's not canon but instead the paganistic views of an encroaching culture.  If the very imporant concept of Hell and Sheol have been watered down, what else has?

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