Lockdowns = Less goods + Virus struggle to spread = Starvation and Viral evolution.
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danman (Site Administrator)
Dunno about your math .. allowing it to spread uncontested is gonna cause more mutations than suppressing it with lockdowns. Starvation is a new one too... do Amazon stock prices have a direct impact on food distribution ?
US does have a problem with goods distribution but it's more to do with the disruptions in the supply chain & lack of redundancy at US ports afaik... this is a good thing IMO. Fuck globalised consumerism.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
It's the lockdowner and higher vaxx locations that are having the most cases and deaths.
Lockdowns killed production and distribution.
It's all happening as I said it would mid 2020.
Humanity has only two real choices.
Let the virus run it's course and burn itself out while maintaining liberty and infrastructure. The virus will burn out and likely mutate less deadly strains because it's not struggling.
Or lock everything down, cause a great depression and be stuck with a deadlier virus.
The one world government chose the latter, They want a permenent state of emergency and a controlled collapse of the global market so the people Klaus and friends work for can usher in the digital economy and social credit system for everyone. The great reset.
Now we have a an omicron varient just in time to cover up all the vaccine deaths.
When the virus narrative is exhausted, they switch to climate change to maintain the emergency orders and take away more from the citizens.
Like clockwork.
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danman (Site Administrator)
> Let the virus run it's course and burn itself out while maintaining liberty and infrastructure. The virus will burn out and likely mutate less deadly strains because it's not struggling.
This doesn't work for most countries. It would bring about a huge health crisis when the health system collapses.
My country (NZ) has 4.8 - we really don't have the option of unmitigated spreading. We're pissed off at stupid restrictions that go overboard but the "let it go" option isn't even considered & would be gross negligence on the govt's part. It's not just covid patients who won't be able to get an ICU bed it's everyone, once they all fill up. The hospitals here are pretty fucking nervous because we've lost control & next year are likely to be hit pretty hard.
What we really need IMO is competent vaccine distribution & tracing to keep levels low or near zero but also allow international travel. Relying just on vaccines might not cut it but that seems to be the plan.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
Governments arn't reporting honest numbers. Graphs are useless here.
You can't vaccinate your way out of a pandemic.
These are not vaccines. They are gene therapy experiments. All the animals used in testing died.
Gene therapy deaths are being covered up.
The ICU beds are filled mostly with the vaccinated, almost all media is lying and saying it's unvaccinated in order to encourage vaccine compliance and strengthen compliance with the health passport system.
If there is a hospital shortage, then build more hospitals and stop firing doctors and nurses that won't get vaccinated or convert the concentration camps into hospitals.
Accurate Tracing is impossible and not to be complied with as that will be abused for other purposes by the state.
Sweden, Norway, South Dakota, Florida and Texas let it burn out and now their numbers are looking much better per capita than the rest of the states that used all the restrictions.
Restrictions haven't worked the first time, the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth.
It won't work this time.
Time to switch plans.
It's not negligence on the gov's part. The state is not your mother and they need to step back from that role.
Stick to helpful advice and keeping people informed, rather than manipulation and draconic control. It's going to cause national security issues if it keeps going like this or they increase pressure much further.
And Jacinda Ardern is a nasty tin pot dictator crack whore.
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danman (Site Administrator)
> If there is a hospital shortage, then build more hospitals
Yeah we should been doing this but haven't. There's also a shortage of hospital staff so that could be a reason.
> Time to switch plans.
well I wanna try & beat it rather than let it win. Whatever the govt does, they have much more info than me. Seeing the hospital people being legit nervous about a major surge is pretty convincing that we shouldn't just let it wash over us. Already they are lagging with regular procedures after a portion of the staff have been kicked out because no vaccine.
I agree that media is pretty biased towards vaccine companies & could be more critical. Not sure that would help much, probably would just agitate people more. Misinfo is typically not the way to go tho. Treating us like babies who can't handle the truth is pretty fucked.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
So overwhelmed they have hours and hours to choreograph synchronized dances...
The reason they treat everyone like babies is because governments are using this crises to enslave people.
They are making the "promise of a moments safety" compete with liberty.
To me it's an easy choice. I choose liberty every time.
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danman (Site Administrator)
idrgaf about liberty in absolute terms, if the government is competent enough then they should take charge & fuck the virus in the ass IMO. We already have thousands of restrictions imposed on us by the govt, we're just used to them. If they do have to bend privacy laws it should be for a fixed length of time & be transparent & generally accepted by the people. Restrictions on movement are the biggest pain in the ass. We're just coming out of 4 month lockdown here & after 2 months it gets pretty shit. We have black market hairdressers now lol
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
The government has failed in competence.
Being used to the restrictions is called normalization. It is a critical symptom of totalitarianism.
You were promised restrictions for a short period of time. 2 weeks to flatten the curve became two years. It will be three. Once the virus narrative is milked to the last drop they will switch to climate emergencies.
This isn't going to end, until the citizens stop obeying.
Better to ask forgiveness than ask permission.
"Those that would trade freedom for the promise of a moments safety, deserve neither nor shall have it." - Benjamin Franklin.
If you knew you were going to die one way or another, wouldn't you want to live your best life until those couple weeks before it was time to go?
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> The government has failed in competence
agreed
Dude I just wanna travel. Besides my parents being safe idrgaf about all the other stuff. Restaurants being closed sucks but it's not the end of the world. And I never expected that "go back to normal" would be a thing. There's before covid & after covid I reckon.
> This isn't going to end, until the citizens stop obeying
yeah that's just rhetoric though. Just make the most of what's thrown your way I reckon. If your country sucks too much move somewhere better.
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theblackswordsman (Old Spike)
I get it, you're frustrated and scared. Rightly so. Your part of the globe is getting hammered by the state, and they feel bold enough to brandish military.
I have the choice of leaving, but I'm not giving up my ground. Someone in my country has to stand up to the bullies.
I'm glad you're back though. I never agreed with what went down.
Though we don't always agree, I always felt like I could sit and have a coffee with you and find something to talk about.
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cheers. I'm not scared but do wanna fight it, more of a competitive thing. Invisible aliens vs humans.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Nope allowing it to spread in the midst of the deployment of leaky vaccines increases the evolutionary selection pressures on the virus, focusing them in a way that increases the likelihood of additional mutations. You are a walking, talking, writing falsehood.
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(Site Administrator)
money > health
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(Old Spike)
Production = Goods = Health. Fixed.
Lockdowns = Less goods + Virus struggle to spread = Starvation and Viral evolution.
(Site Administrator)
Dunno about your math .. allowing it to spread uncontested is gonna cause more mutations than suppressing it with lockdowns. Starvation is a new one too... do Amazon stock prices have a direct impact on food distribution ?
US does have a problem with goods distribution but it's more to do with the disruptions in the supply chain & lack of redundancy at US ports afaik... this is a good thing IMO. Fuck globalised consumerism.
(Old Spike)
It's the lockdowner and higher vaxx locations that are having the most cases and deaths.
Lockdowns killed production and distribution.
It's all happening as I said it would mid 2020.
Humanity has only two real choices.
Let the virus run it's course and burn itself out while maintaining liberty and infrastructure. The virus will burn out and likely mutate less deadly strains because it's not struggling.
Or lock everything down, cause a great depression and be stuck with a deadlier virus.
The one world government chose the latter, They want a permenent state of emergency and a controlled collapse of the global market so the people Klaus and friends work for can usher in the digital economy and social credit system for everyone. The great reset.
Now we have a an omicron varient just in time to cover up all the vaccine deaths.
When the virus narrative is exhausted, they switch to climate change to maintain the emergency orders and take away more from the citizens.
Like clockwork.
(Site Administrator)
> Let the virus run it's course and burn itself out while maintaining liberty and infrastructure. The virus will burn out and likely mutate less deadly strains because it's not struggling.
This doesn't work for most countries. It would bring about a huge health crisis when the health system collapses.
My country (NZ) has 4.8 - we really don't have the option of unmitigated spreading. We're pissed off at stupid restrictions that go overboard but the "let it go" option isn't even considered & would be gross negligence on the govt's part. It's not just covid patients who won't be able to get an ICU bed it's everyone, once they all fill up. The hospitals here are pretty fucking nervous because we've lost control & next year are likely to be hit pretty hard.
What we really need IMO is competent vaccine distribution & tracing to keep levels low or near zero but also allow international travel. Relying just on vaccines might not cut it but that seems to be the plan.
(Old Spike)
Governments arn't reporting honest numbers. Graphs are useless here.
You can't vaccinate your way out of a pandemic.
These are not vaccines. They are gene therapy experiments. All the animals used in testing died.
Gene therapy deaths are being covered up.
The ICU beds are filled mostly with the vaccinated, almost all media is lying and saying it's unvaccinated in order to encourage vaccine compliance and strengthen compliance with the health passport system.
If there is a hospital shortage, then build more hospitals and stop firing doctors and nurses that won't get vaccinated or convert the concentration camps into hospitals.
Accurate Tracing is impossible and not to be complied with as that will be abused for other purposes by the state.
Sweden, Norway, South Dakota, Florida and Texas let it burn out and now their numbers are looking much better per capita than the rest of the states that used all the restrictions.
Restrictions haven't worked the first time, the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth.
It won't work this time.
Time to switch plans.
It's not negligence on the gov's part. The state is not your mother and they need to step back from that role.
Stick to helpful advice and keeping people informed, rather than manipulation and draconic control. It's going to cause national security issues if it keeps going like this or they increase pressure much further.
And Jacinda Ardern is a nasty tin pot dictator crack whore.
(Site Administrator)
> If there is a hospital shortage, then build more hospitals
Yeah we should been doing this but haven't. There's also a shortage of hospital staff so that could be a reason.
> Time to switch plans.
well I wanna try & beat it rather than let it win. Whatever the govt does, they have much more info than me. Seeing the hospital people being legit nervous about a major surge is pretty convincing that we shouldn't just let it wash over us. Already they are lagging with regular procedures after a portion of the staff have been kicked out because no vaccine.
I agree that media is pretty biased towards vaccine companies & could be more critical. Not sure that would help much, probably would just agitate people more. Misinfo is typically not the way to go tho. Treating us like babies who can't handle the truth is pretty fucked.
(Old Spike)
So overwhelmed they have hours and hours to choreograph synchronized dances...
The reason they treat everyone like babies is because governments are using this crises to enslave people.
They are making the "promise of a moments safety" compete with liberty.
To me it's an easy choice. I choose liberty every time.
(Site Administrator)
idrgaf about liberty in absolute terms, if the government is competent enough then they should take charge & fuck the virus in the ass IMO. We already have thousands of restrictions imposed on us by the govt, we're just used to them. If they do have to bend privacy laws it should be for a fixed length of time & be transparent & generally accepted by the people. Restrictions on movement are the biggest pain in the ass. We're just coming out of 4 month lockdown here & after 2 months it gets pretty shit. We have black market hairdressers now lol
(Old Spike)
The government has failed in competence.
Being used to the restrictions is called normalization. It is a critical symptom of totalitarianism.
You were promised restrictions for a short period of time. 2 weeks to flatten the curve became two years. It will be three. Once the virus narrative is milked to the last drop they will switch to climate emergencies.
This isn't going to end, until the citizens stop obeying.
Better to ask forgiveness than ask permission.
"Those that would trade freedom for the promise of a moments safety, deserve neither nor shall have it." - Benjamin Franklin.
If you knew you were going to die one way or another, wouldn't you want to live your best life until those couple weeks before it was time to go?
(Site Administrator)
> The government has failed in competence
agreed
Dude I just wanna travel. Besides my parents being safe idrgaf about all the other stuff. Restaurants being closed sucks but it's not the end of the world. And I never expected that "go back to normal" would be a thing. There's before covid & after covid I reckon.
> This isn't going to end, until the citizens stop obeying
yeah that's just rhetoric though. Just make the most of what's thrown your way I reckon. If your country sucks too much move somewhere better.
(Old Spike)
I get it, you're frustrated and scared. Rightly so. Your part of the globe is getting hammered by the state, and they feel bold enough to brandish military.
I have the choice of leaving, but I'm not giving up my ground. Someone in my country has to stand up to the bullies.
I'm glad you're back though. I never agreed with what went down.
Though we don't always agree, I always felt like I could sit and have a coffee with you and find something to talk about.
(Site Administrator)
cheers. I'm not scared but do wanna fight it, more of a competitive thing. Invisible aliens vs humans.
(Old Spike)
Nope allowing it to spread in the midst of the deployment of leaky vaccines increases the evolutionary selection pressures on the virus, focusing them in a way that increases the likelihood of additional mutations. You are a walking, talking, writing falsehood.