0:28 - claims China is the 2nd biggest contributor
--- This is a lie. China's not even in the top 10 of contributors.
2:20 - claims Taiwan warned WHO of h2h transmission
--- This is a lie. Taiwan sent no such warning.
2:20 - Taiwan ignored the travel warning
--- This is backwards - Taiwan was trying to fly people out of Wuhan but Beijing was blocking the flights.
2:41 - claims China refuses to acknowledge Taiwan's independence
--- This is deceptive. Taiwan doesn't claim to have independence
4:55 - claims US intelligence believes China lied about its numbers
--- This is fakenews. Bloomberg quoted unnamed sources & there's no substantitive evidence to back up this claim.
These are just the most blatant & provable lies. The rest of the video makes false assumptions & the entire premise is utter nonsense.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Weird that everyone is lying except the Communist Party of China. Damned weird. Here's the racist cult Sky News with another one:
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
I've just pointed out 4 of the blatant lies in this video & the best you can come back with is "waaah the CCP lies".
zero intellectual honesty.
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I don't know if you've caught on yet, but your one-note approach so closely inline with depictions of 50 cent army ghouls means there's no point in responding to any of your points. All you say is "That's a lie" to every single report coming out of the West on this. That's also the CCP's position.
I've been through this dance with you before, and specifically on China, and years ago in case you've forgotten. I'll ask you to show me your sources proving your four points. You'll point me to something, I'll look at it and see very quickly how you're wrong or the source is wrong or deliberately dishonest, I'll map that out for you, you'll hinge, and conflate, and squirm, and try to make it come out in the end like "Well, who knows what's really going on with all these conflicting sources - you have yours and I have mine la la la la la" so why spend the effort.
I'll break it down for you this way - your position is that all points critical of China are either lies or cult-derived or cult-derived lies while maintaining that information provided by the Chinese Communist Party and WHO should be accepted without question. That's it man - what are we supposed to do with that lol? Think about it - if you're going to do this for a living or for money you need to come at it more subtlely. If this is your hobby, then perhaps it really is about you having no grasp of principle and if that's the case then again there's no point. Look around - it's just shits and giggle with you at this point man you've lost an enormous about of credibility. Don't know what else to say.
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You've not addressed any of the blatant lies I've pointed out in the video.
Why are you being so dishonest?
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Is posting that to everyone over and over the equivalent of an invoice for you? How does it work, anyway?
I gave you my response and you didn't address it and we both know why.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
The video is full of lies.
You're trying to deflect from the deception you tried to pull here. I've listed the main lies in the video & you won't even admit that there's a problem with it.
Do you seriously have no shame?
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Danman this is what Lawngnome means by gaslighting - you are doing it so transparently that it's embarrassing. You can't seriously be this retarded - this must be to put food on the table. I'm sorry if things are desperate for you right now but this is no way to make money. Whatever is driving your behavior here, I think you should think about passing on the management of the site to someone else. At least until China isn't such a central factor in everyone's misery right now - it's really gross for you to be spitting in the face of people who are suffering right now. Too soon, lol, too soon - we're going to be at war with China within 5 years so there will be plenty yet to talk about. For now, why do you dial it down to a 3 or 4 - sad to see you this way.
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ok here's where you've lied in your post:
1. china IS the 2nd biggest contributor. (seriously just google "who budget by country")
2. while the document didn't specifically say "human to huamn transmission", it said cases had to be isolated which can only possibly mean "to prevent human to human transmission" and so it's a lie to say taiwan didn't warn.
3. i don't have info on so i'll give u a pass.
4. lie through wordplay again. taiwan's health sector is independent and while it's not completely independent the scale of taiwan's independence is documented and well known, so you're being disingenuous, again.
5. there's your go-to ad hominem! sorry but a couple of senators have since come out saying that they were at the briefing and it's quite true that the cia is quite sure china is covering the numbers up.
"China's not even in the top 10 of contributors" i mean come on man that's just so easily disprovable. up there with "the tiannamen massacre didn't happen." you're still saying it didn't, right?
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1. China is not the 2nd largest contributor to the WHO among member states.
- I can't find a list of the top 10 contributors. China is around #10-15 from memory @ around $20million per year. This year they've contributed more as have other countries but nowhere near enough to make them #2. It's a flat out lie.
2. It is very much a lie to say Taiwan warned the WHO. The claim is that an email was sent from Taiwan on December 31st warning of h2h transmission. Here is the email:
- no mention of h2h transmission, no warning. It's a request for information.
3. I can provided links if you like. There was a tussle over it as Taiwan was tryiing to get people home from Wuhan.
4. I don't know wtf you're talking about "word play". Taiwan is not independent. It's never declared independence. It offiially recognizes itself as a province of China.
The video says Taiwan's WHO membership was blocked by China "which refuses to acknowledge its independence". This independence doesn't exist, how can you accuse a country of not recognizing something that doesn't exist?
5. No idea what you mean by ad hominem, fakenews is a thing. So you dispute this based on what some senators have said. Let's get into it, cite your sources, what senators said what, and what makes you take their word for it?
"China's not even in the top 10 of contributors" i mean come on man that's just so easily disprovable
So disprove it then. "google it" is not disproving something sato. Go ahead...
TLDR; every claim you've just made here is bullshit, including your misquotation about T.Square.
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
China is around #15 contributor to the WHO, around #8 among member states.
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Let it be known: sato & skeptoid have pushed lies here
& when confronted with their lies they can't even acknowledge them
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sal9000 (Old Spike)
you know. i spent a few minutes looking up the funding. you know what i found. this image.
not sure if its worth my time looking up the others or just take the chance and call you a liar
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
That's only the "assessed contributions" - aka members fees. Countries give much more than that by donating towards speciic programs, this is known as "voluntary contributions". The video doesn't make this distinction, only you have.
Here are the top contributing countries for 2018/19 including the voluntary contributions:
well. the video said china was the 2nd, document from who says china is the 2nd, forbes said it was the 2nd, sato said it was the 2nd, i said it was the 2nd. not sure about everyones reason but mine is that voluntary funds are volunatry while assessed funds are guaranteed. the image you used is a couple years old, by chance, it actually takes who a few years to release info about voluntary funds donations. then i trailed of thinking that who's voluntary funds are probably roll over money from the previous year because you can't exacly budget a nonprofit on a unknown income stream. so a graphic showing its complete budget from 2018-2019 is probably the assessed funds from 2018-2019 + voluntary funds from 2017-2018. anyhow, you go with what you know. like if i wanted to buy a bitcoin from you. i'm not going to pay what it was worth 2 years ago. i'm paying what its worth now. if i voluntarily pay more, its not worth more
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danmanjones (Old Spike)
choosing to only look at the assessed contributions to support a lie makes you a dumb cunt
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the statistics I used are from April 15, 2020 & include the most recent 2 years of WHO budget, they're not "a couple years old". Ignoring the supplimentary & voluntary contributions is just a deceptive tactic. It's disinguous at best. Here is the list, once again showing China is not even in the top 7:
so, obviously the image you used in a comment a few above is say 2018/19. the verbatim that you repeated from the express.co.uk also states 2018/19 and both have matching info but you say its from april 15 2020. if you spend a few minutes you'll find out that the last time who released any info about voluntary donations was in may of 2019 and that was about 2018. so they would be releasing 2019 in may.
liar
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2018/19 are the last 2 full financial years.
Here is the title of the article those figures come from:
Again, here are the figures - INCLUDING all contributions:
Here is a breakdown of the top 10 incl non-member states for 2018 INCLUDING all contributions - it's indicative of a typical year:
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usa voluntarily donated 400 mil in 2017 and 281 mil in 2018. same time, china voluntarily donated 10mil in 2017 and 6mil in 2018. for assessed funds. china donated 18 mil in 2019 and donating 28mil this year. where the usa went from donating 59mil to 57mil this year. usa also owes 40mil from previous year or 2. since donations are based of the economy and disasters, i wouldn't say its been a typical year compared to 2018/19
they made a correct statement based off the most recent and to a certain extent most truthful info out at the time. tough luck bud
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You're still basing your assertion on assessed contributions only.
You can't pretend other contributions don't exist to fit your narrative.
You're also trying to base things on 2020 data only, we're not even halfway through 2020.
China has never been close to being the 2nd largest contributor to the WHO among member states, as the video claims.
And the assertion that assessed contibutions implies corruption that favours China over the US is bogus anyway - US still contributes more based on their assessed funding. And countries don't have influence in the WHO based on their assessed contributions. They can sponsor programs via supplimentary/voluntary contributions, so they get some influence that way, just in that the programs go ahead.
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(Long Spike)
Reality = cult
(Old Spike)
This video is full of lies & deception.
0:28 - claims China is the 2nd biggest contributor
--- This is a lie. China's not even in the top 10 of contributors.
2:20 - claims Taiwan warned WHO of h2h transmission
--- This is a lie. Taiwan sent no such warning.
2:20 - Taiwan ignored the travel warning
--- This is backwards - Taiwan was trying to fly people out of Wuhan but Beijing was blocking the flights.
2:41 - claims China refuses to acknowledge Taiwan's independence
--- This is deceptive. Taiwan doesn't claim to have independence
4:55 - claims US intelligence believes China lied about its numbers
--- This is fakenews. Bloomberg quoted unnamed sources & there's no substantitive evidence to back up this claim.
These are just the most blatant & provable lies. The rest of the video makes false assumptions & the entire premise is utter nonsense.
(Old Spike)
Weird that everyone is lying except the Communist Party of China. Damned weird. Here's the racist cult Sky News with another one:
(Old Spike)
I've just pointed out 4 of the blatant lies in this video & the best you can come back with is "waaah the CCP lies".
zero intellectual honesty.
(Old Spike)
I don't know if you've caught on yet, but your one-note approach so closely inline with depictions of 50 cent army ghouls means there's no point in responding to any of your points. All you say is "That's a lie" to every single report coming out of the West on this. That's also the CCP's position.
I've been through this dance with you before, and specifically on China, and years ago in case you've forgotten. I'll ask you to show me your sources proving your four points. You'll point me to something, I'll look at it and see very quickly how you're wrong or the source is wrong or deliberately dishonest, I'll map that out for you, you'll hinge, and conflate, and squirm, and try to make it come out in the end like "Well, who knows what's really going on with all these conflicting sources - you have yours and I have mine la la la la la" so why spend the effort.
I'll break it down for you this way - your position is that all points critical of China are either lies or cult-derived or cult-derived lies while maintaining that information provided by the Chinese Communist Party and WHO should be accepted without question. That's it man - what are we supposed to do with that lol? Think about it - if you're going to do this for a living or for money you need to come at it more subtlely. If this is your hobby, then perhaps it really is about you having no grasp of principle and if that's the case then again there's no point. Look around - it's just shits and giggle with you at this point man you've lost an enormous about of credibility. Don't know what else to say.
(Old Spike)
You've not addressed any of the blatant lies I've pointed out in the video.
Why are you being so dishonest?
(Old Spike)
Is posting that to everyone over and over the equivalent of an invoice for you? How does it work, anyway?
I gave you my response and you didn't address it and we both know why.
(Old Spike)
The video is full of lies.
You're trying to deflect from the deception you tried to pull here. I've listed the main lies in the video & you won't even admit that there's a problem with it.
Do you seriously have no shame?
(Old Spike)
Danman this is what Lawngnome means by gaslighting - you are doing it so transparently that it's embarrassing. You can't seriously be this retarded - this must be to put food on the table. I'm sorry if things are desperate for you right now but this is no way to make money. Whatever is driving your behavior here, I think you should think about passing on the management of the site to someone else. At least until China isn't such a central factor in everyone's misery right now - it's really gross for you to be spitting in the face of people who are suffering right now. Too soon, lol, too soon - we're going to be at war with China within 5 years so there will be plenty yet to talk about. For now, why do you dial it down to a 3 or 4 - sad to see you this way.
(Old Spike)
ok here's where you've lied in your post:
1. china IS the 2nd biggest contributor. (seriously just google "who budget by country")
2. while the document didn't specifically say "human to huamn transmission", it said cases had to be isolated which can only possibly mean "to prevent human to human transmission" and so it's a lie to say taiwan didn't warn.
3. i don't have info on so i'll give u a pass.
4. lie through wordplay again. taiwan's health sector is independent and while it's not completely independent the scale of taiwan's independence is documented and well known, so you're being disingenuous, again.
5. there's your go-to ad hominem! sorry but a couple of senators have since come out saying that they were at the briefing and it's quite true that the cia is quite sure china is covering the numbers up.
"China's not even in the top 10 of contributors" i mean come on man that's just so easily disprovable. up there with "the tiannamen massacre didn't happen." you're still saying it didn't, right?
(Old Spike)
1. China is not the 2nd largest contributor to the WHO among member states.
Here are the top 7
[src]
- I can't find a list of the top 10 contributors. China is around #10-15 from memory @ around $20million per year. This year they've contributed more as have other countries but nowhere near enough to make them #2. It's a flat out lie.
2. It is very much a lie to say Taiwan warned the WHO. The claim is that an email was sent from Taiwan on December 31st warning of h2h transmission. Here is the email:
- no mention of h2h transmission, no warning. It's a request for information.
3. I can provided links if you like. There was a tussle over it as Taiwan was tryiing to get people home from Wuhan.
4. I don't know wtf you're talking about "word play". Taiwan is not independent. It's never declared independence. It offiially recognizes itself as a province of China.
The video says Taiwan's WHO membership was blocked by China "which refuses to acknowledge its independence". This independence doesn't exist, how can you accuse a country of not recognizing something that doesn't exist?
5. No idea what you mean by ad hominem, fakenews is a thing. So you dispute this based on what some senators have said. Let's get into it, cite your sources, what senators said what, and what makes you take their word for it?
"China's not even in the top 10 of contributors" i mean come on man that's just so easily disprovable
So disprove it then. "google it" is not disproving something sato. Go ahead...
TLDR; every claim you've just made here is bullshit, including your misquotation about T.Square.
(Old Spike)
China is around #15 contributor to the WHO, around #8 among member states.
(Old Spike)
Let it be known: sato & skeptoid have pushed lies here
& when confronted with their lies they can't even acknowledge them
(Old Spike)
you know. i spent a few minutes looking up the funding. you know what i found. this image.
also found this
https://www.who.int/about/finances-accountability/funding/AC_Status_Report_2020.pdf?ua=1
not sure if its worth my time looking up the others or just take the chance and call you a liar
(Old Spike)
That's only the "assessed contributions" - aka members fees. Countries give much more than that by donating towards speciic programs, this is known as "voluntary contributions". The video doesn't make this distinction, only you have.
Here are the top contributing countries for 2018/19 including the voluntary contributions:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1269519/WHO-funding-by-country-which-countries-fund-the-WHO-USA
(Old Spike)
well. the video said china was the 2nd, document from who says china is the 2nd, forbes said it was the 2nd, sato said it was the 2nd, i said it was the 2nd. not sure about everyones reason but mine is that voluntary funds are volunatry while assessed funds are guaranteed. the image you used is a couple years old, by chance, it actually takes who a few years to release info about voluntary funds donations. then i trailed of thinking that who's voluntary funds are probably roll over money from the previous year because you can't exacly budget a nonprofit on a unknown income stream. so a graphic showing its complete budget from 2018-2019 is probably the assessed funds from 2018-2019 + voluntary funds from 2017-2018. anyhow, you go with what you know. like if i wanted to buy a bitcoin from you. i'm not going to pay what it was worth 2 years ago. i'm paying what its worth now. if i voluntarily pay more, its not worth more
(Old Spike)
choosing to only look at the assessed contributions to support a lie makes you a dumb cunt
(Old Spike)
(Old Spike)
the statistics I used are from April 15, 2020 & include the most recent 2 years of WHO budget, they're not "a couple years old". Ignoring the supplimentary & voluntary contributions is just a deceptive tactic. It's disinguous at best. Here is the list, once again showing China is not even in the top 7:
[src]
(Old Spike)
United States - £319million
United Kingdom - £318million
Germany - £191,402 million
Japan - £106million
Kuwait - £74million
Sweden - £60.6million
Norway - £51.3million
so, obviously the image you used in a comment a few above is say 2018/19. the verbatim that you repeated from the express.co.uk also states 2018/19 and both have matching info but you say its from april 15 2020. if you spend a few minutes you'll find out that the last time who released any info about voluntary donations was in may of 2019 and that was about 2018. so they would be releasing 2019 in may.
liar
(Old Spike)
2018/19 are the last 2 full financial years.
Here is the title of the article those figures come from:
Again, here are the figures - INCLUDING all contributions:
Here is a breakdown of the top 10 incl non-member states for 2018 INCLUDING all contributions - it's indicative of a typical year:
(Old Spike)
usa voluntarily donated 400 mil in 2017 and 281 mil in 2018. same time, china voluntarily donated 10mil in 2017 and 6mil in 2018. for assessed funds. china donated 18 mil in 2019 and donating 28mil this year. where the usa went from donating 59mil to 57mil this year. usa also owes 40mil from previous year or 2. since donations are based of the economy and disasters, i wouldn't say its been a typical year compared to 2018/19
they made a correct statement based off the most recent and to a certain extent most truthful info out at the time. tough luck bud
(Old Spike)
You're still basing your assertion on assessed contributions only.
You can't pretend other contributions don't exist to fit your narrative.
You're also trying to base things on 2020 data only, we're not even halfway through 2020.
China has never been close to being the 2nd largest contributor to the WHO among member states, as the video claims.
And the assertion that assessed contibutions implies corruption that favours China over the US is bogus anyway - US still contributes more based on their assessed funding. And countries don't have influence in the WHO based on their assessed contributions. They can sponsor programs via supplimentary/voluntary contributions, so they get some influence that way, just in that the programs go ahead.
It's deception built on a lie.
(Long Spike)
CCP=truth
Everything negative about CCP=bad
China=good
(Old Spike)
are those song lyrics?