just keep moving that goalpost and listening to the inventor of the mrna vaccines
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joe finds out about myocarditis
just keep moving that goalpost and listening to the inventor of the mrna vaccines
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(Old Spike)
saw that previously and it's been mis-reported. the report is "450 cases of myocarditis during SARS-CoV-2 infection per million males aged 12-17 years" while the study says "Myocarditis from primary COVID19 infection occurred at a rate as high as 450 per million in young males." that's the highest risk group which isn't the 12-17 group.
also that vaccine data is from july which put the vaccine myocarditis risk at about 60 per million, whereas more recent data (december is most recent i've seen) puts it at 170 per million, again in the highest risk group not the 12-17 group. also that's the official data from public health ontario not US vaers data. you can't use "bad" data that actually shows less than good data and claim something debunked.
the vaccine is still safer, though there's not much in it particularly when you factor in that the unvaccinated go to the doctor less often and so natural covid myocarditis rates are undercounted.
curious where you think the goalposts were moved?
(Old Spike)
the vaccine is safer? three months ago you were saying the booster made no difference
(Old Spike)
safer in respect to the risk of myocarditis.
i said the booster made no difference to what?
(Old Spike)
A lot of teen boys are finding out about Myocarditis. Young men with their whole lives ahead of them dropping dead in the middle of sports matches and this asshat is talking about goal posts being moved.
(Long Spike)
Cherry picked reports.
Imagine having such control of a studys that you could exclude vast swaths of data because it dosent fit your narative.
Vaers reports are verified by the CDC and Vaers staff themselves, to say that Vaers is innacurate is to question SCIENCE ITSELF! HAIL FAUCI!
(Old Spike)
(Old Spike)
The fact that there isn't a better system, one that could give a clear answer, makes you very happy doesn't it?
(Old Spike)
what makes me happy is that we do have a better system. you go see your doctor but they're going to give you the same information every other credible source will. so, you along with others push vaers. which wasn't recently taken over by the woke left and its purpose changed. its always been a shit show but thats the kind of place people like you get your answers
(Old Spike)
not true. the information doctors receive is exclusively provided by drug companies, mostly because they do it regularly and for free. also in all those symposiums etc that doctors have to attend a certain number of hours per year as part of their certification, most of the speakers are sent by drug companies. just think in your own experience, how often you've seen information on drugs from the cdc vs ads by drug companies?
(Old Spike)
doctors have a background in chemistry. the same goes for the pharmacist filling the order. so, it doesn't matter what the drug companies say. it's biology
considering that most countries have put in place rules against drug companies advertising prescription drugs and nobody i know has cable tv for me to see a commercial, i often see information on drugs from the cdc vs ads by drug companies
(Old Spike)
And now that you know Joe Rogan has been vindicated, and the latest information we have shows that he was, in fact, correct and that Metz was incorrect (and it could flip again - science right?), what are your thoughts now? Should you delete this post?
(Old Spike)
what makes me happy is that we do have a better system. you go see your doctor but they're going to give you the same information every other credible source will. so, you along with others push vaers. which wasn't recently taken over by the woke left and its purpose changed. its always been a shit show but thats the kind of place people like you get your answers
Watching you try to backtrack and pretend like you understand during a pandemic with deliberately provoked hysteria there's a lot of confusion and misinformation is really interesting. Can you do some more of that? The places I get my information are the sources who understand that this is a shit show and know that the bullshit talking heads you listen to exclusively on MSM left-conspiracy cable news channels, who tell you X or Y with absolutely certainty and give you action instructions (praxis instructions), are full of shit and harming society. My sources understand the absurdity of the statement "I believe in science" or "follow the science" and your sources apparently do not, and as a result nor do you.
You should never have started speaking more on this site - you seemed 40x more intelligent when you were more "mysterious" about your positions. That was the right instinct.
The one thing we know for sure about VAERS is that it's errors skew in the direction of underreporting. Despite this, the most recent data shows that vaccines cause as much or more myocarditis than the virus itself, especially in young men. You going to delete this post you made, which as it currently stands risks increasing the death count along with much of the rest of what you've done on this site and no doubt elsewhere during this pandemic? And you get off scott free - there's no punishment for you for what you've done. Does that make you smile?
If I can find a way for people like you to pay your due, I'll find it. Know that and believe it.
(Old Spike)
This is why Joe is a little confused with what his guest said. The Guardian news says something different. and That is where Joe Rogan got his news from. I know this because of this tweet Rogan posted yesterday. https://mobile.twitter.com/joerogan/status/1481832468651122689
The guardian news posted this article
Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study | Coronavirus | The Guardian
(Old Spike)
When actual news reporting stops happening, anywhere, this is what happens. All of our current problems and confusions lead back directly to the media.
(Old Spike)
yes, and especially when news is mis-reported by misunderstanding or ill intention, like in the "hospitalized with covid" vs "hospitalized because of covid".
(dumb cunt)
The smooth handling of being faced with the facts is legendary. I always liked Rogan when he stayed in his lane but when he tries to be an expert on everything and insists he's right because he "Did his research" his Google scientist nature fails him. He connects strongly with the weak-minded, that's for sure.
(Old Spike)
he doubts, and in this case it's fair because plenty of hamgurgers are made with a mixture of beef and pork. it often is just beef but it doesn't have to be, and most recipes recommend a mixture.
(Site Moderator)
hmmm
(Old Spike)
Isn't this argument a non-sequitur?
He's saying that you're six times more likely to develop MC from getting COVID than from the vaccine with the implication being that you should go ahead and get the vaccine (or not hesitate from getting it because you're afraid of getting MC), but to me that doesn't make sense unless they only counted unvaccinated people when determining the rate of people getting it from COVID.
Here in NSW Australia, for example, almost 97% of people have been double vaxxed but we STILL have 10k cases per day - the vast majority double vaccinated. So if a certain number of people who get MC after getting COVID are also vaxxed, how can we be sure that that's due to COVID and not at least also influenced by the vaccination they had earlier?
I'm not anti or pro vaxxer, just pro-science and trying to understand the logic of each argument.