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Dude's picture

Or you can just buy bags of fluoride pellets aka rat poison

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skeptoid's picture

Not when you're catching these kinds of rats.

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daftcunt's picture

Problem with this (or any poison method) is the rats will die in their hideout which is probably a place inside the house or flat with difficult acces and then start to decompose there. Also, if it kills the rat it will kill the pet, that is why rat poison has pet repellent in it, but I would still not trust it, though. My lab found a huge bright blue rat poison lump in a department store under a shelf and brought it proudly to me in her mouth. 

 

Traps are way more effective and safer.

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Simply communicate to your pet, using the trust you've estalbished in setting rules, boundaries and limitations, that this substance is off-limits and dangerous. Because of Cujo's grape alergy, I have instilled in him an absolute fear of anything that looks like it could be grape - he actually made it easier as he seemed to, incredibly, understand that his near death experience was related to food items that look like that (like grapes). 

 

That's my general protection for him - specifically basically grapes are outlawed from my home. Don't you bring a grape in here, you monster! Offer him a tomato grape - he will retreat from you with great suspicion - "you trying to hurt me, mother fucker?"

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lol, here we go again, "communicatively touching" the shit out of the dog or shouting at them (what was the term? oh yes, in a "master voice", rofl) until they are scared shitless.

Still you "outlaw grapes from your home", and you should, because you do not trust your own bullshit (possibly you even unconsciously understand the mechanism behind your "training" but are too much of a coward to admit it even to yourself). 

 

If the dog new grapes were the source of the problem he would not touch them anyway. 

 

 

Thank the lord you do not have any children and "only" do this to your pets.

 

 

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This is a moment you should take note of - look at what I wrote, and then look at your response. Were you responding to what I wrote? You do this to everyone you decided is your enemy on this site. What you're doing here, Daft Cunt, is a form of lying. I try to tell you that you're a liar, and you deny, then lie, deny, then lie, and you do it in front of everyone. The only reason you aren't voted and rated to oblivion is because your personal friends and family are here supporting you.

 

Do you not understand how this makes you look? I almost wonder if they contribute to something - that they reinfoce something you need help with - and that's why you have so much trouble recognizing when you're lying. You just wrote a big, fat, ugly, and disgusting lie about me in response to something I wrote that didn't have any of the elements you were responding to - can you see that you did that, at least? Family and friends of Daft Cunt - you're not helping this guy. Maybe that's your intent, I don't know, but it's not healthy for any of you. 

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"You just wrote a big, fat, ugly, and disgusting lie about me"

 

I did not.

You wrote "I have instilled in him an absolute fear of anything that looks like it could be grape" (in your bragging way, as if it would be desireable that a dog should feel like that). 

 

So I asked myself: "How did you do that?" From your comments in previous posts I extrapolated how you did this ("communicative touch", "master voice", or some other positive punishment* method), also I do not see another way to (direct quote) "instill absolute fear" but if you changed your approach and found a new way I am happy to hear about it and I WILL humbly apologise, so please expand on that! 

Also, as a side note, you do not seem to have an even remote understanding of a dog's visual and olfactory senses.

 

While you're at it: why (if it is not for the reasons I mentioned) do you still (again direct quote) "specifically basically grapes are outlawed from my home" now that your dog is "cured"? Do you not trust your methods?

 

If you don't even fully trust your dog with the grapes (remember? "specifically basically grapes are outlawed from my home"), and you appear to have invested a lot of time and effort in "training" him, why would you promote a rat poison that sounds like it would be a delicacy to a dog rather than have a dog repellent in it?

 

 

* So you know what I am talking about: Positive punishment is when you add an (undesireable to the punishee) consequence to unwanted (by the punisher) behavior. You do this to make the behaviour less appealing in the future. This is 1 of the 4 operant conditioning methods.  

 

Footnote: all my family and friends vote for me and (more importantly as the world and especially this site evolves -better should evolve- around you) "against" you? Really? this video has 2 votes. If you want I can get a few friends to sign up and vote you into oblivion, just say the word.

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Oh, I don't camp on the site waiting for you to speak to me, Daft Cunt. I'm not here 24/7, mouth foaming, haning on the next reply you lunatic. 

 

What's obvious is that you can't think of a method to tell a dog that "this is thing is dangerous" other than striking, hurting, yelling or whatever your sick mind can only present to achieve that result. It's about finding a way to communicate to the dog that "this is dangerous". With the grape Cujo already knew something "bad" had happened with something like a grape, so setting the boundary limitation on that was easier than it would have otherwise been. You project a "bragging quality" - again suggesting there's so much insecurity there - but it's not complicated or difficult to achieve if you understand the canine umwelt. You use some of the academic terms, but when you talk about dogs it's clear how you're just operating from rote and a limited experience that you amplify as you do everything else around here. 

 

My guess is that your methods don't work, you get frustrated, you lash out at your dogs and then you project what you've done unto others who actually know what they're doing. For you it always seems to be about failure and projection - now, I'm sorry if you're going to have to sit here, mouth foaming, waiting eagerly to see if I can validate your life by answering you, but I'm just not here very often. I drop in, do my thing, and get out.

 

The swatting to a dummy address I set up on this site just as a sign post in case someone here tried something, and now at a former address a note posted to the door that was clearly intended for me, threatening my life and including details that may have come via YouTube but likely came from here. My participation here now is 50% about rat catching - you ever had a rat problem? 

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Again, you literally used a wall of words saying nothing, well done, chickening out again.
Not a single word of explanation how you "instill absolute fear" (direct quote) by means other than what I described. So I still think I am 100% spot on with my suspicion on how you did it. Your new approach is trying to water down your own statements from "instill absolute fear" to "tell a dog that "this is thing is dangerous"", the latter not even making sense (as I said before if the dog would associate danger with the grapes after the incident it would not touch them any more and most probably no further training would be necessary).

 

 

So (to make it REALLY simple for you I numbered my questions) please explain (so I can humbly apologise to you):

  1. which methods you applied to "instill absolute fear" (again quoting you directly) in the dog?  
  2. why this state of mind would be desireable in the first place?
  3. why you still ban grapes from your home?

 

FYI: As a professional in the field I use other methods to teach the dog certain things are off limits to them if this is a requirement. Once this is done the dog:

  • WILL NOT have instilled absolute fear into them by me or their owners, they will simply and happily not interact with whatever they are not supposed to.
  • WILL NOT require the items that are off limits to them to be banned from their homes

 

Note that neither "your" nor "my" methods are "trade secrets" I suspect you just use predominantly positive punishment (and I honestly would be thrilled if I were wrong on that) whilst I use positive reinforcement when training so you could easily explain yourself if only you had the balls.

 

I explained positive punishment and added the link because you declined to accept the terminology in a prior "discussion" we had and because you more recently used the terminology wrong.

 

Lastly: leave me alone with your paranoid babble about "adresses" and who is on here how much (as you know I am semi retired and don't really have to work for a living so I check in more often than others), stick to the topic, thanks.

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So here we are, of course you can't answer any of it in a way that isn't extremely embarrassing for you.

This is just one of many proofs you left on this site that you're a gobshite and a coward, the lowest of the low, a disgusting little spineless, mouthbreathing bottom feeder.

 

If you consider yourself being "god's creation" then god really fucked up the day he/she/it "made" you. Well it also could be a quirky display of his/hers/its wicked sense of humour, creating something like you to amuse the sane part of the SN  population, he/she/it is infallible after all.

 

 

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Still waiting for the opportunity to humbly apologise to you.......

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gardendaleguy's picture

personally, i flatten out a plastic grocery bag & put peanut butter on a traditional mousetrap...they cant resist peanut butter, and cleanup is easy. 

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daftcunt's picture

Yep, still the best method in most cases.

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Dude's picture

According to Tom the cat, best way to catch a mouse is a hammer.

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Did he ever succeed applying this method?

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Dude's picture

no he mostly hit his tail or paws :)

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so he's shooting himself in the foot like the karenoid with his arguments. 

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Dude's picture

yep and he realy hates us to.

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