0:45 through 1:04 "But where does math come from?" "Why in science does it work so well?" "Is mathematics even human?"
Hooo, boy.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
You gots to start with the simple questions. FYI for anyone hesitating to watch this, the word creation is mine and I put it in the title. This documentary is very honest in that it basically tells you you have two choices when considering a universe full of perfect mathematics where if things were off even slightly one way or the other we wouldn't exist and neither would life. We live in an infinite Multiverse or we live in an infinite simulation. Of course if we live in a simulation then my use of the word creation is wholly appropriate.
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skeptoid (Old Spike)
Aw, Sal, I never took you for a science denier. Just kidding - I hate that term: As far as I'm concerned you should feel free to hold onto whatever beliefs you have even if they don't jive with what the experts say today. You could be right, whatever you believe.
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sal9000 (Old Spike)
experts? neil said he gives simulation a 50-50 chance. do anything in math and say you got a 50-50 chance of being right and they will tell you to go back to the drawing board.
if you look it up, you will find simulation and multiverse has no proof of existence, multiverse could truly never be proven because we could never go to or test that other universe, simulation is a cockup. any evidence itself would be a simulation. and then you run into the power issue where people inside the simulation would run a simulation..... and so on
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Grothesk (Long Spike)
"This documentary is very honest in that it basically tells you you have two choices when considering a universe full of perfect mathematics where if things were off even slightly one way or the other we wouldn't exist and neither would life. We live in an infinite Multiverse or we live in an infinite simulation."
Doesn't it seem much more logical to see that the universe follows a set order of rules and mathematics follows and reflects those same guidelines?
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More logical than what? That's perfectly logical - its the base from which you start when asking "Why?". You and Sal don't like it when people get to end of the material rainbow and still ask why. My comment was what leading scientists say to the people who believe there is value in asking why. Some explain all of this perfection by saying it's just one of infitie universes with no particular starting point. Some explain it by saying we live in a simulation admidst an infinite hierarchy of simulations (NDT, etc.). That's where we are now - are you guys behind?
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Grothesk (Long Spike)
More logical than what? In your original post you stated that the video is essentially presenting a dichotomy and there is either this choice or that choice. Allow me to quote:
"This documentary is very honest in that it basically tells you you have two choices when considering a universe full of perfect mathematics where if things were off even slightly one way or the other we wouldn't exist and neither would life. We live in an infinite Multiverse or we live in an infinite simulation."
That's why I put it in bold above. When you are presented with a dichotomy such as that the correct answer is always "yes". "Do you think we live in an infinite multiverse or we live in an infinite simulation?" The answer to that question is "yes".
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(Long Spike)
0:45 through 1:04 "But where does math come from?" "Why in science does it work so well?" "Is mathematics even human?"
Hooo, boy.
(Old Spike)
You gots to start with the simple questions. FYI for anyone hesitating to watch this, the word creation is mine and I put it in the title. This documentary is very honest in that it basically tells you you have two choices when considering a universe full of perfect mathematics where if things were off even slightly one way or the other we wouldn't exist and neither would life. We live in an infinite Multiverse or we live in an infinite simulation. Of course if we live in a simulation then my use of the word creation is wholly appropriate.
(Old Spike)
(Old Spike)
Aw, Sal, I never took you for a science denier. Just kidding - I hate that term: As far as I'm concerned you should feel free to hold onto whatever beliefs you have even if they don't jive with what the experts say today. You could be right, whatever you believe.
(Old Spike)
experts? neil said he gives simulation a 50-50 chance. do anything in math and say you got a 50-50 chance of being right and they will tell you to go back to the drawing board.
if you look it up, you will find simulation and multiverse has no proof of existence, multiverse could truly never be proven because we could never go to or test that other universe, simulation is a cockup. any evidence itself would be a simulation. and then you run into the power issue where people inside the simulation would run a simulation..... and so on
(Long Spike)
"This documentary is very honest in that it basically tells you you have two choices when considering a universe full of perfect mathematics where if things were off even slightly one way or the other we wouldn't exist and neither would life. We live in an infinite Multiverse or we live in an infinite simulation."
Doesn't it seem much more logical to see that the universe follows a set order of rules and mathematics follows and reflects those same guidelines?
(Old Spike)
More logical than what? That's perfectly logical - its the base from which you start when asking "Why?". You and Sal don't like it when people get to end of the material rainbow and still ask why. My comment was what leading scientists say to the people who believe there is value in asking why. Some explain all of this perfection by saying it's just one of infitie universes with no particular starting point. Some explain it by saying we live in a simulation admidst an infinite hierarchy of simulations (NDT, etc.). That's where we are now - are you guys behind?
(Long Spike)
More logical than what? In your original post you stated that the video is essentially presenting a dichotomy and there is either this choice or that choice. Allow me to quote:
"This documentary is very honest in that it basically tells you you have two choices when considering a universe full of perfect mathematics where if things were off even slightly one way or the other we wouldn't exist and neither would life. We live in an infinite Multiverse or we live in an infinite simulation."
That's why I put it in bold above. When you are presented with a dichotomy such as that the correct answer is always "yes". "Do you think we live in an infinite multiverse or we live in an infinite simulation?" The answer to that question is "yes".