....has it's downsides, especially when buying it from an arrogant manufacturer.
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Buying a prototype car....
....has it's downsides, especially when buying it from an arrogant manufacturer.
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(Old Spike)
When you buy one here in NZ it comes with a lifetime warranty. You only have to pay for tyres, so sayeth the salesman at the mall.
(Old Spike)
i read that they wanted it to be open source, hence why the patents are all freely available. they were taking a different track from the standard auto makers who deliberately make their cars unrepairable except by their own dealers (there was a lawsuit in australia a few years back which blocked this unfair practice).
i don't understand why he was complaining about lack of parts when he got the parts easily and cheaply online? tesla has made the plans free exactly so 3rd parties can make parts for them. the repair manuals, wiring diagrams etc are all also free online. if he was an early adopter i could understand there not being much parts infrastructure set up yet, that's again hardly tesla's fault. why aren't they more like other car companies that've had decades to get all their infrastructure built and set up? that's just silly.
(Old Spike)
The open source was regarding battery technology.
I think he was complaining about not being able to purchase the part new and repair it himself.
Also I haven't seen "legal" servicre manuals available for free, at least not on the first google page.
There are quite a few other videos on yt from people struggling to epair teslas outside the dealership.
(Old Spike)
but he did purchase the part new online, he said so. he was complaining that tesla parts weren't readily available from tesla and when they were they were expensive, so he ended up buying them online much cheaper, and that's the whole point of what tesla is doing with their designs being open source so 3rd parties will make and sell parts. i get that not many people have started making and selling parts yet, but it's new and customer numbers are only just starting to increase. sure it must be frustrating but it's hardly surprising there isn't a whole network of parts supply and service already set up nationwide for an all-new car from an all-new company.
(Old Spike)
If I remember correctly he purchased 2nd hand parts, 70$ for bits of the door handle (which I guess you can only get as a whole part from Tesla anyway). I guess you may get new parts cheap from suppliers other than tesla if they are used in other vehicles too.
I just bought 2 new A/C condensators and a dryer for my 911, at a fraction of the cost of the originals, on-line simply because they are used in other mass produced cars.
(Old Spike)
Nothing like spending 70-140k on a project car. "I'm not doing this to belittle Tesla, I do not want them to fail" I'm still astounded at how many excuses Telsa fanboys will make despite atrocious service, *numerous* QA issues, and a lack of parts that sometimes results in waiting periods extending months at a time. It's tantamount to a person in a horribly abusive relationship that will support the abuser no matter how badly they get fucked.
(Old Spike)
why would the quality and service be brilliant from the get-go? i'm astounded that people expect a company that's just started to be the same as a company with infrastrure established decades ago. if they don't get better over the next 5 years then fine there's a meaningful argument there, but so far they've been doing well. there were some initial quality problems, but with the 2018 model they scored "above average" in consumer reports on reliability, the only all-new car to do so.
(Old Spike)
Even established car manufacturers have teething problems when it comes to new models or innovations, it would be naïve to expect a new manufacturer not to have more start up problems. First buyers are always the guinnea pigs.
(Old Spike)
So you're saying Tesla buyers are just a bunch of easily defrauded fools. Good to know you finally came around.
(Old Spike)
I guess those of them that really thought they get a perfect product for relatively small money from a new manufacturer are quite naïve. I also think that the problems the cars actually have are way exaggerated due to the vast majority of people that never had a problem (or only minor ones) not parading this fact like those do that have issues.
This is pretty much the same in any car forum. Take my 996, go to any forum and the IMS problem will come up and general unreliability because the engine of a sports car blows every now and then. It seems this car is the worst ever built. However, looking at the actual figures only a very small percentage of owners are actually part of the forum, most never had a problem or drive hundreds of thousands of km without the engine blowing or the IMS giving up. The IMS was changed in later designs, though, hence there was some sort of an issue, but this only came to light because so many 911's of "old" age are still on the road in comparison to other cars and most with such low mileage that many of the problems were created from not running rather than running.
In the end it is a matter of perspective. Like other cars most teslas run fine, the percentage of failures must be expected to be higher than those found with established manufactures and traditional technology, though.
Only a fool would believe that the concept as such is flawed.
(Old Spike)
Battered wife syndrome.
Dude clearly purchased a sub-par product because "OMG! ELON MUSK IS GOD!". Yet he refuses to sell the piece of shit and admit it. Rather it's not Tesla's fault, they just need to listen to his advice and everything will be OK.
(Old Spike)
Let's be clear here. This guy is an engineer working in the Seattle area, likely for a multi-billion dollar company. This guy not only has plenty of money to throw down the shitter for this toy, he also has the knowledge to understand what he is looking at when he is tearing his toy apart.
The average buyer doesn't know shit about fixing all the complicated shit on these cars. They are the ones who end up in a position of having a money pit, buying over priced replacements from Tesla and ONLY being able to take it to a Tesla repair shop to fix shit.
It is obvious to anyone with a fucking brain that Tesla is the Apple of car makers. They even have the same cult like customers who will angrily berate you if you challenge their faith. Tesla sells over priced garbage based on lies like how they are better for the environment. They treat you well while the product is new, but as soon as the next model comes out you are expected to trash the one you have and buy their latest piece of shit. If you don't, well you better be an engineer like this asshole or you are just shit out of luck.
(Old Spike)
LOL yeah I bet some copycats who really think it's a Lego car will watch this video and end up killing themselves.
(Old Spike)
Like in any other car the "complicated shit" on a tesla is mostly concealed inside black boxes that are hard (if not impossible) to open and mostly would not be repaired but swapped anyway.
The only dangerous part to work on is the battery, and boy this IS dangerous and people that don't know what they are doing should not touch it, I'll check if I find a video regarding this. There will be (a) cut off switch(es) for repair/maintenance work or emergencies.
The drive train, including motors, is actually much simpler than in a normal car with way less moving parts.
Servo and A/C pumps will be driven by electric motors rather than a fanbelt (but also in many modern cars steering aid is electric anyway these days btw).
The rest is pretty much "same shit different car". Like you've seen in the video: cabling, motors, locks, mechanical bits, nothing out of the ordinary really.