Totally believable. Some stencils and burned ISIS flags in a Russia controled area. No way could have someone else painted those on and made them look "old". Hard-hitting evidence. We all know Russia is the paragon of transparency standing at a whopping 148 out of 174 in the press freedom index.
What a cynical piece of shit. An actress hoping onto an opportunity to peddle a dictators propoganda. All I found was pro-Kremlin and pro-Assad "reports" from her. It's pretty amazing to what lengths people will go to in the name of their confirmation biases.
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Got any links to these 'pro-Kremlin and pro-Assad "reports"' you mentioned?
(didn't think so)
I mean it's possible that these senes were all faked by the Russians and that they convinced everyone to tell lies when Carla interviewed them... and that Carla for some reason you haven't mentioned became a willing accomplice to the lies and simply ignored any contradictory evidence or testimony during the 18 months she's been filming in Syria...while still coming across as a passionate anti-war activist to avoid blowing her cover......................although you gotta admit that's a retarded conspiracy theory.
She gives a breakdown of this scene & other stuff in this interview... listen to what she says at 17:12-17:43 and tell me what do you think? She is lying? You don't care that will happen if the Syrian government falls?
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Just google her. Literally everything she says is pro-Assad and pro-Russia. Not a single word of criticism, not a single mention of the hospital and medical facility bombing campaign, killing civilians and other attrocities commited by the Russia and Assad.
This video is of an actress walking around, scratching conveniently placed stickers on a wall to prove that they are old and somehow prove the ties between DAESH and White Helmets. Hard-hitting journalism right here. There are no credible sources connecting the two and the White Helmets have been a splinter in Putin's and Assad's efforts of controling the information in Syria. Therefore they create this smear campaign, which is regurgitated by gullible people on the internet.
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All I found was pro-Kremlin and pro-Assad "reports" from her.
- Please link these reports. "Just google it" didn't work for me.
The link you gave is to her speech at the UN & is a plea to help the Syrian people. It mentions the Syrian government twice. Here are the excerpts...
Maybe to our eyes their government is not a perfect one. But who are we to leave the destiny of these country in the hands of terror as we did in Iraq and Libya?"
Why is still more important to topple a government than to put an end to terrorism?"
Does being against terrorism in Syria equate to pro-Assad/pro-Kremlin?
I don't know what you are expecting in the way of "credible sources". All reports from people on the ground in Syria say the same thing.... the WH work exclusively in al Nusra-controlled territory.
You can just look at the images/video of them that has leaked out, including:
WH flying al Qaeda flag
WH bedroom with al Qaeda flag on wall
WH facilitating beheadings
WH people holding weapons
WH people in full "rebel mode" with weapons
Faked videos of WH helping sufferers of a staged CW attack
Leader of al Qaeda praising the White Helmets as "hidden soldiers of the revolution"
Twitter posts of WH people praising al Qaeda
John Pilger has described them as the propaganda arm of al Qaeda. He's a renowned journalist but for some bizarre reason that wasn't on the front page of CNN.......?
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Here ya go. She even goes out of her way to state that RT are the only real journalists there.
I read the text, but thanks for the quotes. If you fail to see how her speech plays into the narrative of Assad and Russia then I really can't help you out. She even mentions the White Helmet bullshit conspiracy in it. Yes, asking to support Assad is considered pro-Assad. Holy macaroni.
I think it is futile to talk to you, as I could be watching RT instead and get all your opinions from there.
No, being against Al-Qaeda and ISIS is not pro-Kremlin. However, trying to collate the Syrian Opposition with Al-Qaeda and ISIS is.
EDIT :
She implies that White Helmets are DAESH in her speech.
Pilger, e.g., is a crusty trashcan of a journalist, who is as biased as they come.
All of your points come from half-truth sources with clear biases. If you can't see that, then I am afraid I am done wasting my time.
Ok, you are right. That snapshot from a video with a guy wearing a white helmet proves it.
Toodeloo!
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Another fail. You said:
All I found was pro-Kremlin and pro-Assad "reports" from her
The link you provided that time was from Sputnik. Ironic for you to choose Sputnik, on many levels. Regardless, this is not a report from her.
Also, she didn't say RT are the only real reporters there she said she has seen no other foreign journalists except for RT.
Nobody is saying WH are Daesh. al Nusra is not Daesh.
"trying to collate the Syrian Opposition with Al-Qaeda and ISIS is [pro-kremlin]"
That's just a confusing statement.
First of all nobody mentioned a "Syrian opposition" and secondly the main factions fighting the Syrian gov for control of the country are ISIS & al Qaeda.
FYI I don't watch RT
It is pretty futile since you're only willing to believe "credible sources", whatever you think that means. (the first casualty of war is the truth) and unwilling to submit to the logic of overwhelming evidence.
Answer me this though, out of curiosity:
Why would Syrian people consistently say that WH only ever go where al Nusra goes & that they mostly only treat al Nusra & their families when they're interviewed in multiple locations by multiple journalists/outlets?
Is this report by an independent journalist in Aleppo a hoax?
And these people are all lying?
And this guy at 3:30, when he says "the terrorists actually had paramedics working with them. Sometimes they would help civilians bust most of the time they were helping the terrorist factions.....they had uniforms that said Civil Defense"?
How about this kid at 1:20 when asked "so the WH and al Nusra were working together?" saying "yes, of course"?
(in same compound as the OP video)
He's lying too?
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None of your posted sources are credible. For example, your latest videos come from Vanesa Beeley and Khaled Iskef is part of her company 21stcenturywire. Do you think that it is hard for people, in a war-torn country, to say anything you pay them to say? Is that more outlandish than the murderous Assad and Putin regimes lying about all of this and cynically peddling their propaganda? Which media has more accountability - the western media or the medias of Assad and Russia?
It is along the lines of how Russia handles their propaganda - create many bullshit narratives, so the truth will be drowned in it. There is a clear pattern of this here, too. Literally all of your posted sources have shady backgrounds and have clear biases. You say you don't watch RT, but it is exactly what you do. These so called "independent journalists" is what makes up the bullshit that is RT. They (these fringe bloggers) either knowingly or unknowingly serve the purpose of white washing the crimes of these two dispicable regimes.
I think it is hard for people to truly realize just how much bullshit comes out of Russia and how their propaganda works. Especially for people that live a bit further from their border or even on the other side of the world. Russian internet trolls are a very real thing and the local news articles of neighboring countries become flooded with Kremlin retoric whenever an article comes out not in favor of their regime or any other thing they deem a threat to Putin's safe space.
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Interesting analysis.
When shown unedited testimony from Syrian civilians you claim that the sources are biased.
Your proof of this bias seems to be an Al Jazeera article aimed at discrediting Vanessa Beeley. The article refers to a a few sources to prove that she tells lies. The information in those sources boil down to:
whether a girl is being recycled in different videos by the White Helmets
no proof is given to verify that Beeley lied
all of the videos are now deleted
whether a hospital in Allepo was bombed by the SAA and Beeley is deliberately lying about it to provide cover for the Syrian government
no proof is given to verify that Beeley lied
one of the links is to a CBS article titled "Airstrike destroys hospital" .... but the hospital was re-opened 2 weeks after the incident
the footage in the article is all of victims being treated, not of an air strike as is claimed
the article quotes "A Syrian monitoring group and a first-responders team" (sound familiar)
it's difficult to prove what caused the damage to the hospital and the sources claiming Beeley lied did not provide difinitive proof or mention the possibility of IEDs etc. Instead they say "we all know Assad's regime is evil, of course he did it (similar to your rhetoric)". It's ironic because it's using as proof the very thing you and them are accusing Beeley of - a bias based on feelings towards the Syrian govt.
it makes no sense for SAA to target the hospital unless there was very good reason to do so such as a sniper or heavy weapons firing from that position. Destroying infrastructure is not part of what the Syrian government is trying to do
I'm not claiming that there is no bias. There are only 2-3 journalists in the world that I do not sense any bias from. In order to operate as a journalist within Syria you have to be cleared by the Syrian government and very few people are cleared. Even after they are cleared they may be sent home. BUT I did not show evidence that can be dismissed as biased. I showed Syrian civilians giving their testimony. 3 of the interviews are uncut and the people are not being asked leading questions, so the bias of the sources is not an issue.
The only way you can really dismiss this video testimony would be if you make the claim that these people are being paid or threatened in order to tell the same lie. This is possible. Highly unlikely and completely unproven but possible. Interesting analysis indeed.
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You completely ignore the fact that the journalists that have the directing power of the things we see and hear are biased. What kind of mickey mouse world do you live in? You do realize that taking pictures with Assad by your side totally discredits you as a reliable source, right?
I think you just might be an honest dupe and that's ok.
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You keep using flimsy bullshit to prop up your theory that Beeley is being employed by the Russian or Syrian government to spread lies... you haven't even specified which government is paying her.
This photo is posted on her blog & was taken when she attended a peace conference
If you think this is evidence that she's being paid to lie, then you also are saying she's openly bragging about it.
You've been trying to use Al Jazeera hit job articles that refer to dodgy sources such as "A Syrian monitoring group and a first-responders team" as your evidence and yet you accuse me of being "an honest dupe". Cool story bro.
I'm still looking into this Allepo hospital story because (unlike some people) I'm willing to look at contradictory evidence & make my own judgements. If I find reason to think that the hospital was bombed by the SAA I'll let you know.
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Al Jazeera carries much more journalistic integrity than any of your posted videos. Seeing a fringe blogger take a photo with a dictator and then viewing her reports as non-biased and independent is a sign of foolishness. You are lost in a whirlwind of bullshit. All according to plan, comrade.
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Tell me, without googling it, which country is Al Jazeera based in?
Also, do you know which faction that country is backing in Syria? (link) (link) (link)
Okay so I've found some preliminary info on the Al Quds hospital on April 27th 2016:
It was reportedly hit by a Russian air strike (link)
The claim is made by Najib al-Ansar, a Syrian Civil Defense (White Helmets) official in Aleppo and backed up by MSF International (a group who haven't been involved in Syria's war zones since 2015)
It was not a registered hospital but a building being used as a hospital by al Nusra
It is not currently against international law to attack such buildings
3 registered hospitals were attacked in Allepo around that time as part of a systemic campaign by the "rebels" against civlian infrastructure (schools, universities, pharmaceutical factories etc)
One was Al Kindi. It was levelled by 2 truck bombs. The BBC reported on it with a title "Syria rebels take back strategic hospital in Aleppo" (link). The introduction claims the “massive suicide lorry bomb” had managed “to seize back a strategic ruined hospital occupied by Assad loyalists.” Al Kindi was said to have been “a disused building” and “according to an unconfirmed report, 35 rebels died in the attack”.
The ‘Assad loyalists’ in this case were the staff and security guards of a large public hospital
The 'rebels' in this case were al Nusra (al Qaeda in Syria)
The problem here is that people like yourself will look at an article by the BBC and think "yeah, that's what's happening, BBC is legit".
Then you look at people like me who don't believe Western propaganda outlets, especially in warzones that they are associated with and you think "he's a dupe".
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My bad for calling you names. It's something I have to work on. You strike me as an intelligent dude and you present your information in a very concise way, but I just can't agree on the sources you present to me. There is a Finnish proverb that is very accurate in this case : "When you flee from a wolf, you run into a bear".
I don't believe everything that Western media tells me, but I for sure do not believe murderous pieces of shit like Assad and Putin. You are putting your beliefs in fringe bloggers that get their time to shine when they report along the lines of Kremlin and Assad. Are you really going to believe an actress walking around with her fake nails/boobs and scratching at stickers? You can at least try to examine the sources you get your info from as neatly as you examine the Western media. That is all I ask.
Assad and Putin have destroyed any trace of free press in their countries. I think this is a fact that we can both agree on, right?
Check this out. Lying and murdering is what they pride themselves in.
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I don't mind being called a dupe, it's a chance to learn when I have to back up my bs. Cheers
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(Long Spike)
Totally believable. Some stencils and burned ISIS flags in a Russia controled area. No way could have someone else painted those on and made them look "old". Hard-hitting evidence. We all know Russia is the paragon of transparency standing at a whopping 148 out of 174 in the press freedom index.
What a cynical piece of shit. An actress hoping onto an opportunity to peddle a dictators propoganda. All I found was pro-Kremlin and pro-Assad "reports" from her. It's pretty amazing to what lengths people will go to in the name of their confirmation biases.
(Old Spike)
Got any links to these 'pro-Kremlin and pro-Assad "reports"' you mentioned?
(didn't think so)
I mean it's possible that these senes were all faked by the Russians and that they convinced everyone to tell lies when Carla interviewed them... and that Carla for some reason you haven't mentioned became a willing accomplice to the lies and simply ignored any contradictory evidence or testimony during the 18 months she's been filming in Syria...while still coming across as a passionate anti-war activist to avoid blowing her cover......................although you gotta admit that's a retarded conspiracy theory.
She gives a breakdown of this scene & other stuff in this interview... listen to what she says at 17:12-17:43 and tell me what do you think? She is lying? You don't care that will happen if the Syrian government falls?
(Long Spike)
Just google her. Literally everything she says is pro-Assad and pro-Russia. Not a single word of criticism, not a single mention of the hospital and medical facility bombing campaign, killing civilians and other attrocities commited by the Russia and Assad.
This video is of an actress walking around, scratching conveniently placed stickers on a wall to prove that they are old and somehow prove the ties between DAESH and White Helmets. Hard-hitting journalism right here. There are no credible sources connecting the two and the White Helmets have been a splinter in Putin's and Assad's efforts of controling the information in Syria. Therefore they create this smear campaign, which is regurgitated by gullible people on the internet.
(Old Spike)
- Please link these reports. "Just google it" didn't work for me.
The link you gave is to her speech at the UN & is a plea to help the Syrian people. It mentions the Syrian government twice. Here are the excerpts...
Does being against terrorism in Syria equate to pro-Assad/pro-Kremlin?
I don't know what you are expecting in the way of "credible sources". All reports from people on the ground in Syria say the same thing.... the WH work exclusively in al Nusra-controlled territory.
You can just look at the images/video of them that has leaked out, including:
John Pilger has described them as the propaganda arm of al Qaeda. He's a renowned journalist but for some bizarre reason that wasn't on the front page of CNN.......?
(Long Spike)
Here ya go. She even goes out of her way to state that RT are the only real journalists there.
I read the text, but thanks for the quotes. If you fail to see how her speech plays into the narrative of Assad and Russia then I really can't help you out. She even mentions the White Helmet bullshit conspiracy in it. Yes, asking to support Assad is considered pro-Assad. Holy macaroni.
I think it is futile to talk to you, as I could be watching RT instead and get all your opinions from there.
No, being against Al-Qaeda and ISIS is not pro-Kremlin. However, trying to collate the Syrian Opposition with Al-Qaeda and ISIS is.
EDIT :
She implies that White Helmets are DAESH in her speech.
Pilger, e.g., is a crusty trashcan of a journalist, who is as biased as they come.
All of your points come from half-truth sources with clear biases. If you can't see that, then I am afraid I am done wasting my time.
Ok, you are right. That snapshot from a video with a guy wearing a white helmet proves it.
Toodeloo!
(Old Spike)
Another fail. You said:
The link you provided that time was from Sputnik. Ironic for you to choose Sputnik, on many levels. Regardless, this is not a report from her.
Also, she didn't say RT are the only real reporters there she said she has seen no other foreign journalists except for RT.
Nobody is saying WH are Daesh. al Nusra is not Daesh.
"trying to collate the Syrian Opposition with Al-Qaeda and ISIS is [pro-kremlin]"
That's just a confusing statement.
First of all nobody mentioned a "Syrian opposition" and secondly the main factions fighting the Syrian gov for control of the country are ISIS & al Qaeda.
FYI I don't watch RT
It is pretty futile since you're only willing to believe "credible sources", whatever you think that means. (the first casualty of war is the truth) and unwilling to submit to the logic of overwhelming evidence.
Answer me this though, out of curiosity:
Why would Syrian people consistently say that WH only ever go where al Nusra goes & that they mostly only treat al Nusra & their families when they're interviewed in multiple locations by multiple journalists/outlets?
Is this report by an independent journalist in Aleppo a hoax?
And these people are all lying?
And this guy at 3:30, when he says "the terrorists actually had paramedics working with them. Sometimes they would help civilians bust most of the time they were helping the terrorist factions.....they had uniforms that said Civil Defense"?
How about this kid at 1:20 when asked "so the WH and al Nusra were working together?" saying "yes, of course"?
(in same compound as the OP video)
He's lying too?
(Long Spike)
None of your posted sources are credible. For example, your latest videos come from Vanesa Beeley and Khaled Iskef is part of her company 21stcenturywire. Do you think that it is hard for people, in a war-torn country, to say anything you pay them to say? Is that more outlandish than the murderous Assad and Putin regimes lying about all of this and cynically peddling their propaganda? Which media has more accountability - the western media or the medias of Assad and Russia?
It is along the lines of how Russia handles their propaganda - create many bullshit narratives, so the truth will be drowned in it. There is a clear pattern of this here, too. Literally all of your posted sources have shady backgrounds and have clear biases. You say you don't watch RT, but it is exactly what you do. These so called "independent journalists" is what makes up the bullshit that is RT. They (these fringe bloggers) either knowingly or unknowingly serve the purpose of white washing the crimes of these two dispicable regimes.
I think it is hard for people to truly realize just how much bullshit comes out of Russia and how their propaganda works. Especially for people that live a bit further from their border or even on the other side of the world. Russian internet trolls are a very real thing and the local news articles of neighboring countries become flooded with Kremlin retoric whenever an article comes out not in favor of their regime or any other thing they deem a threat to Putin's safe space.
(Old Spike)
Interesting analysis.
When shown unedited testimony from Syrian civilians you claim that the sources are biased.
Your proof of this bias seems to be an Al Jazeera article aimed at discrediting Vanessa Beeley. The article refers to a a few sources to prove that she tells lies. The information in those sources boil down to:
I'm not claiming that there is no bias. There are only 2-3 journalists in the world that I do not sense any bias from. In order to operate as a journalist within Syria you have to be cleared by the Syrian government and very few people are cleared. Even after they are cleared they may be sent home. BUT I did not show evidence that can be dismissed as biased. I showed Syrian civilians giving their testimony. 3 of the interviews are uncut and the people are not being asked leading questions, so the bias of the sources is not an issue.
The only way you can really dismiss this video testimony would be if you make the claim that these people are being paid or threatened in order to tell the same lie. This is possible. Highly unlikely and completely unproven but possible. Interesting analysis indeed.
(Long Spike)
You completely ignore the fact that the journalists that have the directing power of the things we see and hear are biased. What kind of mickey mouse world do you live in? You do realize that taking pictures with Assad by your side totally discredits you as a reliable source, right?
I think you just might be an honest dupe and that's ok.
(Old Spike)
You keep using flimsy bullshit to prop up your theory that Beeley is being employed by the Russian or Syrian government to spread lies... you haven't even specified which government is paying her.
This photo is posted on her blog & was taken when she attended a peace conference
https://jaysanalysis.com/2016/08/11/21wires-vanessa-beeley-meets-with-president-assad/
If you think this is evidence that she's being paid to lie, then you also are saying she's openly bragging about it.
You've been trying to use Al Jazeera hit job articles that refer to dodgy sources such as "A Syrian monitoring group and a first-responders team" as your evidence and yet you accuse me of being "an honest dupe". Cool story bro.
I'm still looking into this Allepo hospital story because (unlike some people) I'm willing to look at contradictory evidence & make my own judgements. If I find reason to think that the hospital was bombed by the SAA I'll let you know.
(Long Spike)
Al Jazeera carries much more journalistic integrity than any of your posted videos. Seeing a fringe blogger take a photo with a dictator and then viewing her reports as non-biased and independent is a sign of foolishness. You are lost in a whirlwind of bullshit. All according to plan, comrade.
(Old Spike)
Tell me, without googling it, which country is Al Jazeera based in?
Also, do you know which faction that country is backing in Syria? (link) (link) (link)
Okay so I've found some preliminary info on the Al Quds hospital on April 27th 2016:
The problem here is that people like yourself will look at an article by the BBC and think "yeah, that's what's happening, BBC is legit".
Then you look at people like me who don't believe Western propaganda outlets, especially in warzones that they are associated with and you think "he's a dupe".
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(Long Spike)
My bad for calling you names. It's something I have to work on. You strike me as an intelligent dude and you present your information in a very concise way, but I just can't agree on the sources you present to me. There is a Finnish proverb that is very accurate in this case : "When you flee from a wolf, you run into a bear".
I don't believe everything that Western media tells me, but I for sure do not believe murderous pieces of shit like Assad and Putin. You are putting your beliefs in fringe bloggers that get their time to shine when they report along the lines of Kremlin and Assad. Are you really going to believe an actress walking around with her fake nails/boobs and scratching at stickers? You can at least try to examine the sources you get your info from as neatly as you examine the Western media. That is all I ask.
Assad and Putin have destroyed any trace of free press in their countries. I think this is a fact that we can both agree on, right?
Check this out. Lying and murdering is what they pride themselves in.
(Old Spike)
I don't mind being called a dupe, it's a chance to learn when I have to back up my bs. Cheers