Omitting a good portion of what was said and done might make for a good story and ratings, but not rational conclusions. Listen to what was said rather than somebody or some reporter telling you what was said.
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Manufactured outrage
Omitting a good portion of what was said and done might make for a good story and ratings, but not rational conclusions. Listen to what was said rather than somebody or some reporter telling you what was said.
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(Short Spike)
Sato, where is yo avatar my chigger ?
(Old Spike)
it got lost in the move.
(Long Spike)
A few issues: at 2:30 he shows "evidence" that "the Left" were being violent because the white supremacist Cantwell guy was stating that he was maced and when asked by whom he said, "the Communists". That's not exactly evidence because you don't see the actual action, you only see a guy wiping his eyes and making a claim. Another issue I had is that this Youtuber shows Trumps DAY AFTER speech where he condemns Neo-Nazis...but he certainly didn't do it on the day of when it was revealed that Heather Heyer was killed; his message was muddled with "both sides" and specifically not naming Neo-Nazis.
The Youtuber then goes on using the words "evidence" multiple times when he has only provided a claim from a person. Directly after this he moves on to Trump's slippery slope argument that Jefferson and Washington are next, which is actually a fine argument. However, he shits all over it at 4:10 by stating, "but that doesn't mean we erase our history." I don't know how to say this loudly in text so I'm going to bold it:
YOU CAN'T FUCKING ERASE HISTORY BY TAKING DOWN STATUES. THE ONLY THING THAT IS CHANGING IS OUR CURRENT STATE OF MIND UPON WHAT THOSE STATUES REPRESENT.
That phrase ("erasing our history") really hurt this video because it was fairly well presented and to the point. But do we not remember that there was a Berlin Wall because it's gone? Removing they physical remnants of something doesn't change history...it simply reflects our current state of mind upon it.
(Old Spike)
it's not concrete evidence both sides were just as bad as each other, but it's evidence the other side wasn't completely peaceful as was claimed. also when this is added to antifa straight out saying they were going to use voilence against them, news reports really shouldn't be saying it was one sided.
the statues are a part of that history. as you say taking them down changes nothing, but neither does leaving them up, so there's no point taking them down. you can erase history by destroying objects, that's the whole premise of museums.
the berlin wall wasn't completely torn down, some parts have been left as they were as a historical reminder, other parts have been moved and become part of memorials at those new sites.
(Old Spike)
Statues of Saddam, Hitler, Franco and Moussolini have been put up in (self) admiration of these people. They of course have been demolished.
The Berlin Wall was a monumental display of supression, it was preserved in part as a reminder for us to never let this happen again. Auschwitz has been restored for the same reason.
Into which category fall the confederate statues?
(Old Spike)
I don't think it's a fair comparison between the leaders of Confederate forces & the dictators you mentioned above. The Confederates were not fascists or represent anything extreme in their time. The South tried to secede and a war broke out. General Lee wanted to fight with the North due to his military background but had to defend Virginia because his family was there & it was his homeland. It's too murky to declare them as villians in my barely informed opinion.
(Long Spike)
"I don't think it's a fair comparison between the leaders of Confederate forces & the dictators you mentioned above."
That indeed wouldn't be fair because Saddam, Franco, and Moussolini didn't endorse enslaving a specific race of people due to their race. You could make the argument that Hitler did...so I guess Hitler and leaders of the Confederacy have that in common.
(Old Spike)
The idea that the civil war was fought over slavery is propaganda. It's just not in our nature to go to war to fight for another people's rights.
(Long Spike)
Yeah, from what I've heard the Civil War was fought over State's rights.
Hopefully the conversation ends here and I sure as hell hope you don't ask the follow up questions of "the States' right to do WHAT?"
(Old Spike)
Would this be a fair representation of the reasons for the civil war?
(Old Spike)
Thanks, that was a good read. Seems slavery was a larger part of it than I thought. Not in the way a lot of people seem to talk about it though. There was legitemate concern about abolition... an insurrection of 4 million freed slaves is no joke.
(Old Spike)
And another opinion video that shows a filtered side of the story.
(Long Spike)
*Ahem* Someone at the rally finally dumped their photos and look at this little gem:
So he got maced...and yet here he is macing someone. Unless your eyes are lying to you...?
(Short Spike)
Photoshopped, who would wear a denim jacket in this day and age
(Short Spike)